ilogikal1 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Stuff... as most commuters want to take the 1st exit at the roundabout. Your story doesn't add up. There clearly isn't enough parking on that 1st exit for about a mile's worth of queuing cars. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 If the truck driver was reasonable and didn't sit up the arse of the Renault the caravan man would have squeezed in.... But why, when every car in front and behind the artic was happy to wait, did the caravan driver think that didnt apply to him? This is the whole issue for me, not when or whether people merge into lanes, but the penis who decides he is mopre important than everyone else and cocks it up for everyone. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) If the truck driver was reasonable and didn't sit up the arse of the Renault the caravan man would have squeezed in.... But why, when every car in front and behind the artic was happy to wait, did the caravan driver think that didnt apply to him? This is the whole issue for me, not when or whether people merge into lanes, but the penis who decides he is mopre important than everyone else and cocks it up for everyone. I agree, nothing in that situation is ideal but either one of the drivers could have taken some responsibility and control of the developing situation but both decided to ride it out. The net result is a large waste of time and money because both were too pig headed to realise they aren't the only ones on this planet. If I had to give a percentage of blame I would hand out a rather generous 25% to the truck driver and a big old 74% to the caravan man. The 1%? that goes to the parents for giving birth to them. Edited April 21, 2015 by mouthwash 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Youre a fair man 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimboy2 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I've driven down the empty outside lane approaching a roundabout before when I wanted to turn left, passing all the queuing traffic then going right round the roundabout and taking the exit I wanted. Not entirely cricket, that. I was taught that in my 3rd driving lesson! Best thing I was shown lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 It's not difficult, if both lanes are open use both lanes If everybody didn't queue up in one lane then nobody would be able to shoot down to the front would they? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 Just watched the caravan vid, totally different situation and VERY dangerous as he was practically stationary in the 1st lane of the motorway you can see another artic having to go round him at the start. No way the lorry with the camera should have given way, not enough room for a mixes let alone a car with a caravan on the back Another reason I am glad I have a dashcam!!! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 At the end of the day we have all probably left it too late at a junction either not concentrating or maybe on purpose just misread the road... doesn't make you a #### unless you make a point of always doing it, and drive a BMW or an AUDI Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne370Z Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) I think the issue here is not just about using an empty lane but more about people who try to push their way in at the end of it. Yes it`s stupid to just keep going and going until you hit some one trying to push their way in but when you have the right of way why should someone who is being more pig headed get away with it because they are determined to make you av it ! Not that I would ever risk the Zed but I don`t think these drivers should just get away with it and drive how they want because they are prepared to be more reckless than you and it`s nice to see one get his comeuppance. Edited April 21, 2015 by Wayne370Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 You're wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I like a quiet life. Even if it's perfectly acceptable to be in the outside lane and it would save me some time, if there's merging to be done I'll usually happily be in the inside lane, simply because I can't be doing with the stress of hoping someone will let me in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Mcgoo Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 (edited) I'm at work so can't watch the videos but get the idea of the situation being discussed. (the first one) If there is a clear lane available, I always use it. I go at a sensible speed, prepared to stop as there is always likely to be some numpty pulling out without looking in their mirrors first. Why would you sit in a long queue if you don't have to? I'm not an aggressive driver so won't just push in at the end. I try to 'merge' in where there is a nice gap nearer the front as there is usually someone leaving 2 or 3 car lengths in front of them at some point in the queue. And I always put my hand up to thank the car behind, whether they get a choice or not. I find the main place for poor lane discipline and where I take the opportunity to make progress if I want to press on (dual carriageway/motorway middle lane hoggers aside) is at roundabouts. Why do people that are going straight on at the roundabout sit in a queue in the left lane? 95% of the time you can just sail up the middle or outside lane (again at a sensible speed) and enter the roundabout without any issues, taking the inside lane round the island and taking the desired exit safely. Obviously there are some roundabouts where you can't do this, but these are signposted and/or lane painted on approach. Edited April 21, 2015 by Sam Mcgoo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted April 21, 2015 Share Posted April 21, 2015 I like a quiet life. Even if it's perfectly acceptable to be in the outside lane and it would save me some time, if there's merging to be done I'll usually happily be in the inside lane, simply because I can't be doing with the stress of hoping someone will let me in. I'm with you, just because I don't think it is wrong doesn't mean I would do it everytime Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock_Steady Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 If drivers used both lanes, it wouldn't be any quicker, still the same number of cars trying to get from A to B in the same place. I think it just boils down to common courtesy. if there is a long queue in single file I think it should be respected. If there isn't and both lanes are being used then go for broke. Of course, in this situation it is going to get someone's back up if you have been crawling for 20 minutes to get to the bottle neck and someone bombs down the inside to get in because they can't be bothered to wait patiently like everyone has, it just looks rude and inconsiderate. Having said that, it really wasn't a good idea for that Renault driver to bolt out and play silly buggers with the merc driver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeezeebaba Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) The first clip is another common example of impatience and self perceived territory hogging by another motorist. The merc driver is the impatient one who's driving will annoy others whilst the Renault driver is attempting to do himself and the others in the queue a favour. Neither motorist is really in the right here because battling for territory isn't a responsible attitude and can escalate into silliness very easily. The second clip clearly shows a professional driver trying to maintain territory based on the perception the caravan vehicle is trying to cut in. He should really have let the vehicle in and been courteous. It may have been a genuine mistake by the other driver not a deliberate act of impatience and the trucker is using the size of his vehicle to bully. Merging in turn in principle is a good idea but only works well if both lanes pinching into one are travelling at the same relative speed. The trouble occurs at the point where one lane is stationary whilst the other is occupied by faster moving traffic. The perception of those that are stationary is that of queue jumping which annoys people. The most efficient way to keep moving is for vehicles to start merging 200 plus yards from the closure. It's courteous to attempt to merge as early as possible as single file traffic at the point of lane closure does move more quickly. It was a common tactic of ours to get stationary queues moving by rolling slowly in one lane forcing people to merge earlier and freeing up the bottle neck at the point of road closure. Edited April 23, 2015 by Zeezeebaba Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 If people really want to queue, then let them. The rest of us can then continue using all available lanes correctly. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Would you fail a driving test for using that lane for as long as it's open and you were using it correctly? I'd say no. Everyone sat in the mile long tailback bumper to bumper are the ones really causing the issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveBoy Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 Would you fail a driving test for using that lane for as long as it's open and you were using it correctly? I'd say no. Everyone sat in the mile long tailback bumper to bumper are the ones really causing the issue. Technically you could fail a driving test for not using an open lane and being in the outside lane when not overtaking anyone, as a lot of people seem to forget, it is the overtaking lane! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wmr1980 Posted April 23, 2015 Author Share Posted April 23, 2015 If drivers used both lanes, it wouldn't be any quicker, still the same number of cars trying to get from A to B in the same place. I think it just boils down to common courtesy. if there is a long queue in single file I think it should be respected. If there isn't and both lanes are being used then go for broke. Of course, in this situation it is going to get someone's back up if you have been crawling for 20 minutes to get to the bottle neck and someone bombs down the inside to get in because they can't be bothered to wait patiently like everyone has, it just looks rude and inconsiderate. Having said that, it really wasn't a good idea for that Renault driver to bolt out and play silly buggers with the merc driver. Technically, using multiple lanes, with decent spacing, and a sensible average speed, the queue will clear quicker. Problem is, people bunch up, don't let people in and have egos that get in the way. The issue is people not following a good process flow, and this sporadic behaviour causes bunching, which in turn causes queues, which then leads to people wanting to skip the queues, and then leads to wanna be cops/holier than thou drivers to take matters in their own hands. Both are poor decisions. I'm fairly certain had the merc driver driven a little slower, and indicating to move in, the renault driver may have reacted differently. The 1 in 1 along is far more sensible - but it only works if people do it right. Try to do a zip up too quickly, it bunches/fails. When/if cars become automated, they will all drive without egos, and follow a suitable process that will enable larger traffic flow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) My issue is When cars wish to force themselves into a Que if they use the empty lane and sit and wait till there let in as people already in the lane have right of way legally. But they just try to ram there car into the Que so you can't pull forward Edited April 23, 2015 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveBoy Posted April 23, 2015 Share Posted April 23, 2015 (edited) My issue is When cars wish to force themselves into a Que if they use the empty lane and sit and wait till there let in as people already in the lane have right of way legally. But they just try to ram there car into the Que so you can't pull forward I pick where I'm going to pull in way back, I do the same on my bike, as I'm approaching I watch and see who's leaving big gaps and aim for their big gaps. If that then changes as I get closer to them then so be it, it's about being flexible and not aggressive I find edit: I also thank people no matter what, even if they didn't have any choice, I give a friendly wave or thumbs up Edited April 23, 2015 by AliveBoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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