Ekona Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 WIll, you need to stop the car in as short a distance as possible. You said yourself to let go of the steering, so does it matter if you have none when you're not holding the wheel anyway? You're 100% wrong on this. If you have lost control of the vehicle, and being in a spin is the very definition of that, then you need to stop the car ASAP. Hitting the brakes hard is the exact way to achieve this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
-Bradders- Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 WIll, you need to stop the car in as short a distance as possible. You said yourself to let go of the steering, so does it matter if you have none when you're not holding the wheel anyway? You're 100% wrong on this. If you have lost control of the vehicle, and being in a spin is the very definition of that, then you need to stop the car ASAP. Hitting the brakes hard is the exact way to achieve this. Your all wrong, as JC says, if you lose control POWAAAAA!!!! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Watch how drifters get the car back in a straight line or even JC.. They let go the steering wheel.. And this is what happens when you lock everything up, straight to the scene ot he accident.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=-bjLmCPvFIY Edited March 24, 2015 by WhackyWill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Watch how drifters get the car back in a straight line or even JC.. They let go the steering wheel.. Quite, but thats takes years of practice ......... although if that had been me in that situation it would have been foot in, hands off, crowd go wild as I head up the straight in 3rd on the lockstops, obviously If youre spinning the best thing you can do is get the clutch in, this will straighten the car up, and then you can get on the brakes, cars stop a lot quicker in straight lines. I remember spinning at Mallory on Gerards once, got the clutch in real quick and then pi**ed myself as I continued on the same arc but backwards, watching the guy who had just been right on my ass sideways shitting himself 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 +1 with Ekona and dowcra. Looking at the video it's was just driver error - power too early and the initial correction was correct but over compensated hence why the car straighten back and went the opposite way so quickly and resulted in the full spin. At that point it would have been almost impossible to catch. I have had a massive under steer off at that corner into the in-field on a drying track. I had been taking that corner with increasing speed as the track was drying and grip was comming to me and then on this lap I was too greedy and carried too much speed so under steered out of shape and began to rotate in a 180 broad side drift. I just just minimally corrected the skid with both feet down and ploughed straight into the grass infield with nothing to hit. I did this because I realised any over correction would get me towards that put wall like the ginger zed or M3. We can analyse all we want but it's not as easy as it sounds and only comes with more practice and experience, I have been lucky loads of times and constantly learning from this. You are a big man in my eyes sharing your experience on video. There is no shame here only winingðŸ‘. Any track tuition is beneficial and I never pass an opportunity to get more experienced drivers to show me a thing or 2. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 That's exaclty what my hands do when I get it wrong in the Zed on Gran Turismo! Good on you for posting it up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Has anyone got a link for this Driving course your talking about? Been interested for some time http://www.carlimits...irfieldtraining I did it in high summer, it was 34 degrees or so and my tyres took a punishing! I've been meaning to do this for ages, shame nothing available until July Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chips Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 nice work! that would be me! and more- having no talent whatsoever. I wouldn't mind getting myself out there for a shot of a few laps after seeing that. Bedford is probably one of the best tracks for cars too I'm thinking. Silverstone too big, Donington too hard, Lydden too short, Rockingham has walls, Cadwell too narrow to name a few. Car limits day sounds like the way to start, any others out there available sooner? On a suitable track for a novice, somewhere where they put cones out on the apexes for novices and maybe even an instructor in the passenger seat, if an event like that exists? Half day would be enough. I'd be ok with the rest, having done enough bike track days so fine with tracks themselves, going full power as much as possible as well as being on track with 30+ others. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) Car limits day sounds like the way to start, any others out there available sooner? It seems to be the highest rated one to go for but there are some others of course, I'll find out some details. Perhaps a few of us could do something, I'd be aiming for April/May. Colin over at CAT is highly regarded: http://www.catdrivertraining.co.uk/ Don Palmer: http://www.donpalmer.co.uk/car-control.html And I'm good friends with Mike Wilds, so I might be able to arrange something with him. Edited March 24, 2015 by RobPhoboS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 If anyone is interested, and assuming schedules work out for me, then I'm happy to spend a day with someone in the car on track helping them out. No charge, just cover the cost for a 2nd driver on your car (purely so I can take you out at some stage to point out specifics so you can concentrate on what I'm saying, I have no need to be thrashing your car on track!) and buy me a burger for lunch and that'll do me. If it's a day when I'm there in my car as well then no need for extra costs as all, as I'll just go out with you when my car's cooling down. I did this the other weekend for a fellow Zed driver on here and it was very productive, they showed massive improvement from the start of the day and were putting some serious laps in by the end. It was their first time on track as well, which was even more impressive! I think we both had equal amounts of fun from that day, I really enjoyed instructing as much as driving. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Are you a racing / instructor driver then dan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I have a race licence, yes. Other than that I'm just an enthusiastic amateur happy to pass on a bit of knowledge and have some fun with it 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Are you a racing / instructor driver then dan? Hes quick, but more importantly he knows what hes doing and why hes doing it. Ive done a bit of tuition myself, once youve got the lines sorted it it tends to just be shouting "brake later!" "turn in later!" and "POWER!" quite a lot 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Ya not having a dig , just wandering really . I would love to go out on track with a experienced person to guide me , as I've never done a track day but always wanted too . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dajw Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Dom any idea of cost I think I'm definitely going to do somthing like this when the supercharger goes on Yes. I paid £220 plus fuel, and a bit of tyre wear — this is what my tyres looked like a few months later. Next up: drift lessons 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I have a race licence, yes. Other than that I'm just an enthusiastic amateur happy to pass on a bit of knowledge and have some fun with it Just don't ask him to do Spanish mountain passes But seriously, good of you to offer. The two track days I've done there's been really experienced guys there in their race prepped toys and when I get spanked by one of them in a Clio I learnt a lot just by following them round for a lap!!! Once I get an inexpensive track toy sorted I'd jump an opportunity like this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 I have a race licence, yes. Other than that I'm just an enthusiastic amateur happy to pass on a bit of knowledge and have some fun with it Which one you got Ards, Arks or Bars Was the test pretty easy? My mate keeps offering an occasionally navigator seat in the rally series he does, but never got round to doing the test. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 ARDS, did it at Bedford in the sheddiest VX220 I've ever had the misfortune of driving! The gearbox really was shot, it was like stirring a bucket of bricks. It wasn't difficult at all, just driving at 8/10ths round the track a few times. The worst part was knowing a spin was an instant fail, as was getting any flag question wrong in the exam. Never have I studied standard motorsport flags so hard in my entire life... Do it fella, I reckon that would be a very rewarding prize to have waiting at the end 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Do it fella, I reckon that would be a very rewarding prize to have waiting at the end It would only be the occasional seat when his regular navigator cant make it, maybe once or twice a year at best. Not sure i can quite get to grips with having my head buried in notes whilst he is flat out, been out a couple of times with him at the Rally Day at Combe, whilst i have every faith in him, its quite disturbing 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 ARDS, did it at Bedford in the sheddiest VX220 I've ever had the misfortune of driving! The gearbox really was shot, it was like stirring a bucket of bricks. It wasn't difficult at all, just driving at 8/10ths round the track a few times. The worst part was knowing a spin was an instant fail, as was getting any flag question wrong in the exam. Never have I studied standard motorsport flags so hard in my entire life... Do it fella, I reckon that would be a very rewarding prize to have waiting at the end So your got your novice Race License, that's the first step, well done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 (edited) I'm not sure I claimed anything different. Still, may only be a novice but I least I have a clue what to do when you've lost control of a car Edited March 24, 2015 by Ekona 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Mcgoo Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Well this got interesting didn't it I only put the video up for a bit of a laugh. I consider myself a pretty good driver (don't we all though), better than average anyway, and have had 20 years of fast RWD cars and no incidents in those 20 years other than one crash when I was 17. But am no means an expert, trained or experienced track driver. I have probably only done a dozen airfield/track-days in that time. We all think we're much better drivers than we actually are and I was just showing how easy, unexpectedly and quick it can happen. It did take me by surprise but I know how it happened. I put the power on too early, on a painted surface and once it went I over-corrected it causing the spin. What is interesting is everyone's differing opinions on what you should do in these situations. It would be nice if there was a right or wrong answer but I suspect it's much more complicated than that. The offer of instruction from Dan is very nice and I might well take you up on it when I next go to Snetterton if you are free. I think any driver training can only be a good thing. nice work! that would be me! and more- having no talent whatsoever. I wouldn't mind getting myself out there for a shot of a few laps after seeing that. Bedford is probably one of the best tracks for cars too I'm thinking. Silverstone too big, Donington too hard, Lydden too short, Rockingham has walls, Cadwell too narrow to name a few. Car limits day sounds like the way to start, any others out there available sooner? On a suitable track for a novice, somewhere where they put cones out on the apexes for novices and maybe even an instructor in the passenger seat, if an event like that exists? Half day would be enough. I'd be ok with the rest, having done enough bike track days so fine with tracks themselves, going full power as much as possible as well as being on track with 30+ others. Bedford was indeed a good track and would be good for starters with the large run-offs. But the GT circuit has a lot of corners to remember and the different layouts being just coned off can get a bit confusing to start with. I think I prefer Snetterton 300. It's still 3 miles long but its very clear where your going and has ample run off areas. Its not as fast as Bedford and had a couple of tighter 2nd gear turns but still a good mix of fast,slow,long and short corners with two long straights. Most of the companies that do days there, MSV and Javelin have the cones out to tell you where to turn in and where the apex is. They also have instructors on site you can have come round with you for a small fee. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Biggest issue with Bedford is that it's so flat, which makes learning it and picking out braking points awkward at best. Personally I find the more challenging tracks easier to learn, and I was up to speed much faster at somewhere like Spa than I was at Bedford. Plenty of run off is always good though, we all make mistakes on occasion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanman312 Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 im up for joining in with a training day 100% shall we start a thred? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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