lewis Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Right Im looking for a 500bhp sc kit Does it exsist??? The reason Im looking at sc instead of tt is the heat, as the car will be a full on drift car and with drift cars heat management is a large factor to take into consideration. So am I barking up the wrong tree as we really want to break the 500hp mark but are the sc kits you can buy off the shelf capable of such a figure. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigphil Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Right Im looking for a 500bhp sc kit Does it exsist??? The reason Im looking at sc instead of tt is the heat, as the car will be a full on drift car and with drift cars heat management is a large factor to take into consideration. So am I barking up the wrong tree as we really want to break the 500hp mark but are the sc kits you can buy off the shelf capable of such a figure. cheers That power level needs internal work to the engine, without it will simply melt down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13KYF Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 agreed, it won't be cheap to do either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedrush Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 definatly not cheap when my brother was looking at this. Internal strengthening is a must, surely there are ways to illiminate heat build up with a TT, would be cheaper too than changing the all the internals for the SC. with the TT bhp improvement is vastly easier to increase than SC. So if heat build up is the only reason for going SC than TT then Id spend time in seeing if there is any heat deflectors on the market that might be worth investing in, rather than gathering the huge list of internals that will need replacing when you go SC route Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev946 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Heat is a by product of power, so in theory 500 bhp will produce similar amounts of heat from the same cubic capacity engine. Drifting is over short distances so why the problem with Turbo's anyway. I run this kind of power from a 2 litre engine in the Cossie and yes heat is a problem, but I can easily do 8 hot laps of a full circuit, which is miles more than a drift circuit. I've got a big oil cooler, big winnged sump for extra oil capacity and an alloy radiator. I would have thought an Oil Cooler for the Zed would be enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 the internals will all be replaced any how [i.e. bottom end pistons etc] as 500hp will destroy oem parts. why will i need to replace the internals more on a sc than a tt?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev946 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 the internals will all be replaced any how [i.e. bottom end pistons etc] as 500hp will destroy oem parts. why will i need to replace the internals more on a sc than a tt?? Of course. The fact you are asking questions such as thess says to me that you need to speak to a specialist engine builder. Be prepared to spend £10k and good luck.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigphil Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 the internals will all be replaced any how [i.e. bottom end pistons etc] as 500hp will destroy oem parts. why will i need to replace the internals more on a sc than a tt?? Basic rule of thumb is that the engine is reasonably safe up to circa 400bhp over that regardless of SC or TT the internals need doing. Kev the problem with a drift car is that there is a lot of on the limiter action with very little airflow comming into the engine bay because of the type of action, totally different to normal track work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13KYF Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 I would of thougfht the first place to ask for advice on this and cost implications, what needs changing etc, etc is TDI. They are members on here and you can pm them. Some info in their Blog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kev946 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 the internals will all be replaced any how [i.e. bottom end pistons etc] as 500hp will destroy oem parts. why will i need to replace the internals more on a sc than a tt?? Kev the problem with a drift car is that there is a lot of on the limiter action with very little airflow comming into the engine bay because of the type of action, totally different to normal track work. I realise that but come on they only run for a few minutes at a time. If air flow is an issue, get some big fans with an override switch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 Your correct when you say we only run for a sort period of time while competing, but when we have the car for practices or testing etc stopping every few minutes and letting the car cool down means a large loss in time. So ideally we want something than can sustain large amounts of abuse for as long as possible. which leads me onto thinking running 500hp from a sc will prob mean its running slightly out of its comfort zone. Where as tt, although runs hotter may be slightly more reliable. Sorry for all the babbling and thanks for all the imput were trying to weigh up what would be best. The car will hopefully be built ready for the 2009 season and for the moment were just trying to research and ponder over the many different avenues we can go down to give us an edge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl114 Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Are you entering the EDC? If so, you dont need all that power, you could make do with the 400bhp on standards or slightly less and then build up from there. I remember Darren was running only 230bhp in his AE86 and was by far still the best driver out there. I agree you need power to get the speeds and therefore a better angle, however i would start smaller and then build up. I think you will also find that although a 350z seems to be a good idea as a drift car, you will find something else a lot better. You need a lot, and i mean a lot of downforce in the 350z to keep the rear under proper control at the speeds you will want to be entering the corners at, therefore a big spoiler is a must. Is this your first drift project? What do you currently run and how long have you been doing it for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigphil Posted October 22, 2007 Share Posted October 22, 2007 Your correct when you say we only run for a sort period of time while competing, but when we have the car for practices or testing etc stopping every few minutes and letting the car cool down means a large loss in time. So ideally we want something than can sustain large amounts of abuse for as long as possible. which leads me onto thinking running 500hp from a sc will prob mean its running slightly out of its comfort zone. Where as tt, although runs hotter may be slightly more reliable. Sorry for all the babbling and thanks for all the imput were trying to weigh up what would be best. The car will hopefully be built ready for the 2009 season and for the moment were just trying to research and ponder over the many different avenues we can go down to give us an edge. If you need any help with parts, suspension, brakes, turbo kit whatever give me a call and I will see what I can do with the manufacturers to get the stuff as near to cost as possible. Might need a bit of promo in return though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis Posted October 22, 2007 Author Share Posted October 22, 2007 sl114 Yes itll be in the EDC Darren runs 350bhp and has a very high power to weight ratio which is what we want with our car. Aerodynamics will be high upon our list but were questioning spoiler use as they are believed to cause the car to become unstable while sideways and are only used to make tyre smoke more impressive. [i need to dig out the books] Its not the first I currently run a 180sx this year was going to be the first year in the EDC but mechanical failures put me out of competition. [stupid import cars:rant: ] but but ive been drifting for a while. Big phil you have pm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prescience Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 500BHp (fly) can be achieved with both Vortech and ATi Procharger solutions (with a built motor) but I would say it was pushing the boundary too much for your purposes. TT is inherently more reliable at those figures since it has been done many. many times before in the US (and with much higher HP figures). Drifting reliability, I don't know TBH If you want to look at SC, you could do worse that start at the Novidem 450BHp solution which has electrically switchable S/C and may come with engine warranty (even at that power level), I can't recall http://www.novidem.ch/inhalt.php?bereich=gt450 None of the above will come cheap though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl114 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 sl114 Yes itll be in the EDC Darren runs 350bhp and has a very high power to weight ratio which is what we want with our car. Aerodynamics will be high upon our list but were questioning spoiler use as they are believed to cause the car to become unstable while sideways and are only used to make tyre smoke more impressive. [i need to dig out the books] Its not the first I currently run a 180sx this year was going to be the first year in the EDC but mechanical failures put me out of competition. [stupid import cars:rant: ] but but ive been drifting for a while. Big phil you have pm. Hey buddy, yes now he is, however when he first entered D1GB, he was running a lot less and that is why i loved him, he relied so much on his talent and didnt need the big engine power to really show what he could do. Either way, now he has a great car with great power and although he is no longer the underdog, he is still world class in my opinion. You are spot on there with the spoiler issue, there are many out there but only a few will be perfect for drifting so you get that lateral push down on the rear wheels when you are going sideways. I cant offer any help on that as i have not done any research into what ones are best for the 350z, however i think i remember Lundy had his made specifically for the car? Ahh a good old 180sx! Love them for drifting, did you look at the S14/15's too? Awesome cars for this type of thing. Let me know when and where you will be racing and i will try to come along, more than happy to support people in the EDC especially ones that will be running a 350z Hope it all goes well buddy and let us know the progress of the car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis Posted October 23, 2007 Author Share Posted October 23, 2007 I looked at many cars but the 180 seemed to be a good compromise across the board and a nice one turned up at the right time. The aerodynamics will be a high priority as were trying to think outside of the box i.e. having splitters on the side of the car attached to sideskirts, to try and stop as much air going under the car as possible. As the "hover craft" bodykits [as they are commonly refered to] do channel air away from the underneath of the car. Cheers for the support As soon as it gets under way ill make a thread about the build and keep people updated on events etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl114 Posted October 23, 2007 Share Posted October 23, 2007 Sounds really good mate, i look forward to the progress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tere Posted October 24, 2007 Share Posted October 24, 2007 Well-tuned with 14 psi pulleys, the ProCharger can hit close to 500 rwhp. Engine, fuel system, engine management, and cooling all need to be redone. If you up the redline, you can get close to 16 psi at 7,100 rpm. You're basically looking for something like my '03 350. Plus if you're show drifting, the supercharger is a real crowd pleaser -- sounds like a jet engine. Add a Tial BOV and the crowd will go nuts with the sound. Here's what mine sounds like and I'm just cruising about my neighborhood with a top speed of 35-40 in a couple spots. http://tere.net/t-z/tere350zsc-1.mpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedrush Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 sounds like its going to take off Tere Do you notice any significant changes with the fuel consumption compared to when it was standard? Is it greatly affected? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tere Posted October 25, 2007 Share Posted October 25, 2007 Wellllll... Fuel consumption goes up dramatically when you put the pedal to the floor. Fuel pressure is boost controlled. At high rpms I've got her running between 65-70 pounds of pressure. The fuel pump pushes 255 liters per hour. Now if I drive her like a grandma, she gets pretty decent gas mileage. But then I don't drive her like a grandma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
limiter Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 sounds sweets but which do you like most the tt or sc ? i am so tempted its un-real but i am not sure on which way to go ! dont want the expense of doing all the internal's cos i gonna be building a track car next year but that will not be the zed just going keep that for the daily driver dont want aything to happen to it cos looks so sweet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis Posted October 26, 2007 Author Share Posted October 26, 2007 All n/a engines that have forced induction added onto them should have at least low compression pistons to reduce the likely hood of detonation. As youll be running a false economy and itll more than likely cost you more in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prescience Posted October 26, 2007 Share Posted October 26, 2007 All n/a engines that have forced induction added onto them should have at least low compression pistons to reduce the likely hood of detonation. As youll be running a false economy and itll more than likely cost you more in the long run. No sh!t sherlock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis Posted October 27, 2007 Author Share Posted October 27, 2007 i was responding to limiters post about not wanting to do the internals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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