ioneabee Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 diesels getting a hard time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 Diseaseles. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 and finally the car manufacturers with their "claimed" figures Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted January 26, 2015 Author Share Posted January 26, 2015 and finally the car manufacturers with their "claimed" figures the only thing i can say for this is - in their defence - if all cars are measured the same way - we as consumers have a bench mark to compare them (ignoring the fact that they don't/won't/can't achieve those levels in the real world) exactly the same for EPC's for houses - absolutely worthless ..... but it compares all houses from the same benchmark 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted January 26, 2015 Share Posted January 26, 2015 I always take the 'average' as being the best you will ever see on a really nice long run, has been about right on almost ever car I have owned... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) If they all did the same things, yes, but it doesnt look like they do.... its just a worthless figure that could never be repeated with a full customer car. So whats the point of it? Missed the end of the program, what was decided RE diesel? Rubbish, bad decision, etc I wonder who lined their pockets with that decision?!? Edited January 27, 2015 by grahamc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted January 27, 2015 Author Share Posted January 27, 2015 yep - carried on in the same vein - threw in some sob story of a woman with her 3 children ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Love how the point out the obvious, but how do they plan to fix?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The thing with diesels is the wrong people buy them i.e. People who will not do many miles and short trips. I honestly fail to see the point of small diesel cars, the engines are designed to do lots of miles but why would you do lots of miles in a small car? Modern big powerful diesels are fantastic and anyone who says they are not has not driven one Yep there is zero exhaust/engine noise and if I could have afforded it I would have had the petrol V8 in my Jag, but I enjoy driving it every bit as much as I did my Zed : 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I'd rather my truck had a big V8 than the 3.2L I5 diesel lump. I'm sure I'd get better fuel economy out of it, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 The thing with diesels is the wrong people buy them i.e. People who will not do many miles and short trips. I honestly fail to see the point of small diesel cars, the engines are designed to do lots of miles but why would you do lots of miles in a small car? Modern big powerful diesels are fantastic and anyone who says they are not has not driven one Yep there is zero exhaust/engine noise and if I could have afforded it I would have had the petrol V8 in my Jag, but I enjoy driving it every bit as much as I did my Zed : we used to get this at SEAT as it would clogg the DPF filters try explaining to a customer they bought the wrong car for what their doing then seem them storm off to the salesman who sold them the car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I'd rather my truck had a big V8 than the 3.2L I5 diesel lump. I'm sure I'd get better fuel economy out of it, too. Most people would, I don't think anyone chooses a diesel because they prefer the engine to a petrol one, no chance you would get anywhere near the economy though. I average 50% better in my 3l V6 diesel compared to the 5l V8 If there was a diesel 370z I bet it would sell just as well as the petrol rightly or wrongly 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 (edited) The thing with diesels is the wrong people buy them i.e. People who will not do many miles and short trips. I honestly fail to see the point of small diesel cars, the engines are designed to do lots of miles but why would you do lots of miles in a small car? Modern big powerful diesels are fantastic and anyone who says they are not has not driven one Yep there is zero exhaust/engine noise and if I could have afforded it I would have had the petrol V8 in my Jag, but I enjoy driving it every bit as much as I did my Zed : we used to get this at SEAT as it would clogg the DPF filters try explaining to a customer they bought the wrong car for what their doing then seem them storm off to the salesman who sold them the car As much as it's the salesmans job it is also for the customer to be aware. My brother in law bought a Mazda 6 estate diesel, him & my sister are both retired so do just shopping runs etc, within 6 months the car had been back to the dealer with DPF problems about 4/5 times then just before the warranty ran out it went back again and they said they could clear it but really it needed a new DPF at £1,500 so they got rid for a Seat Estate (can't remember the model) with a petrol engine Edited January 27, 2015 by spursmaddave 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I dunno, I get better fuel economy from the BMW than I do from the truck! As for the 370 diesel, just look at how popular the derv TT is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I dunno, I get better fuel economy from the BMW than I do from the truck! As for the 370 diesel, just look at how popular the derv TT is. I average just under 30 in the Jag, it has been as high as 50 on a cruise down to Cornwall and as low as 14 on a hoon in Wales with my mates that very nearly set fire to my front discs and calipers Not sure you can compare your Beemer and a truck, I have had a couple of diesels, my Leon and my Jag and from talking to guys on forums I have got about 50% better economy than if I had the petrol equivalent, and not lost out on performance too much either. Unless you count top end power over 80/90mph which you don't get to enjoy too much on the road, mid range grunt is epic, I have to admit on a long run I quite often overtake a load of cars and then let them all catch up just so I can do it again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 I dunno, I get better fuel economy from the BMW than I do from the truck! As for the 370 diesel, just look at how popular the derv TT is. I average just under 30 in the Jag, it has been as high as 50 on a cruise down to Cornwall and as low as 14 on a hoon in Wales with my mates that very nearly set fire to my front discs and calipers Not sure you can compare your Beemer and a truck, I have had a couple of diesels, my Leon and my Jag and from talking to guys on forums I have got about 50% better economy than if I had the petrol equivalent, and not lost out on performance too much either. Unless you count top end power over 80/90mph which you don't get to enjoy too much on the road, mid range grunt is epic, I have to admit on a long run I quite often overtake a load of cars and then let them all catch up just so I can do it again chav Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ponsonby Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 We bought a diesel which does mainly short trips. When it went through the dpf cleaning cycle( gets extremely hot and cooling fans at full blast) I wondered what the hell was going on and googled it and only then learned that diesels were not good for short trips, potential costs of new dpf etc. Had clearly been brainwashed that diesel was better and more economical. Guess it is just a matter of education ...... And yes, will buy petrol next time around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobPhoboS Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 yep - carried on in the same vein - threw in some sob story of a woman with her 3 children ... When it got to that part, I switched it off. Mother trying to save the world and her children 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Maybe they should change the VED system from CO2 to NO4? That way diesels will have to pay more. I can see what's going to happen, though. They're going to start pushing small petrol turbo engines because they are cleaner, then in 20 years figure out that in fact they produce something much worse than CO2 and NO4 and then the push for full blown electric will be here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grahamc Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 So in other words..... Mercedes G Wagon with AMG engine not Land Rover Discovery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Maybe they should change the VED system from CO2 to NO4? That way diesels will have to pay more. I can see what's going to happen, though. They're going to start pushing small petrol turbo engines because they are cleaner, then in 20 years figure out that in fact they produce something much worse than CO2 and NO4 and then the push for full blown electric will be here. Just wait until more vehicles are hybrids and pay no VED at all, they'll soon change the system once the tax revenue dries up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Maybe they should change the VED system from CO2 to NO4? That way diesels will have to pay more. I can see what's going to happen, though. They're going to start pushing small petrol turbo engines because they are cleaner, then in 20 years figure out that in fact they produce something much worse than CO2 and NO4 and then the push for full blown electric will be here. Just wait until more vehicles are hybrids and pay no VED at all, they'll soon change the system once the tax revenue dries up. True. If I am correct, anything under 100g/km has free VED, I would imagine when electric/hybrids are more common that this will probably half, but only be applicable to cars registered after a certain date, similar to the 2006 VED hike. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 Given that some smaller petrol engine stuff (Aygo for one, sure there's others, maybe the Polo?) are coming in at that now, I really can't see it being too long before it's changed. Not this side of an election though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy78 Posted January 27, 2015 Share Posted January 27, 2015 They might actually have to start calling it Road Tax again. I still think you should pay per mile then it's representative taxation for amount of use. I know some will argue that we already do with fuel duty etc, but that tax isn't going anywhere and neither is VED in some form or another. As Dan says, we have at least 100 days where it won't be changing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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