Rock_Steady Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) You're just jealous of our bro-mance because docwra left you to argue on your own, so naahhhh Anyway it's relationship, which isn't a hobby... get it right tricky, get it right Edited January 13, 2015 by Rock_Steady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You're just jealous of our bro-mance because docwra left you to argue on your own, so naahhhh Nothing to argue about - if being in Hot Rod magazine makes it a Hot Rod then a 1.0 Fiesta is a "Fast Ford" ............. and I aint having that 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Wow, I missed this thread because I'm not really interested in hot rods, but if I'd known it was turned into a pedantic debate on semantics I'd have been here sooner! I think the trouble is that we need to strike a clear definition between a hot rod (20s-40s style car with very little bodywork and a massive vee-eight) and modern hot rodding. I'm not sure I can define the latter myself, as when does it stop being modifying and start being hot rodding? Engine swap, turbos, bodykits? I don't know. I guess I think that modern hot rodding and modifying for straight line performance are one and the same, but normal modifying which includes styling only definitely isn't hot rodding. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy78 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Does this mean Wasso is building a hot rod? Or Ian? They are both doing engine swaps and adding huge power. I'm no expert, but to me a hot rod has a certain style, regardless of age or make. This 240sx is not a hot rod for me. Flames, larger back wheels and an exposed chrome engine and then you'd be heading in the right direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Wow, I missed this thread because I'm not really interested in hot rods, but if I'd known it was turned into a pedantic debate on semantics I'd have been here sooner! I think the trouble is that we need to strike a clear definition between a hot rod (20s-40s style car with very little bodywork and a massive vee-eight) and modern hot rodding. I'm not sure I can define the latter myself, as when does it stop being modifying and start being hot rodding? Engine swap, turbos, bodykits? I don't know. I guess I think that modern hot rodding and modifying for straight line performance are one and the same, but normal modifying which includes styling only definitely isn't hot rodding. Exactly, it's evolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 (edited) if you took an original hotrodder not some retired old man dropping 100k from his pension IF you could take the original guy take him through time to now and say right build a hot rod on your budget he would be buying a cheap rwd coupe and putting a Cheap easy power v8 in it he wouldnt not be going the scrap yard buying a 3 window bodyshell for 10k then building a car for 80k as he wouldnt have the budget, if that make sense the young people of the 1950s Built there original rods from hand me downs from there parents and made them fast they didnt care about there looks So mr foose might be building Custom show hot rods but hes not building tradition ones NO custom candy paintjobs NO full chrome chassis NO custom 1 off billet aluminium wheels NO Custom Fitted and trimmed interiors They where just normal 20 year old cars with modified engines to go faster Bit like the s13 with its original paint and unpainted arches with a v8 Go fast is the 1 goal same as they had Also looks what in the National Hot Rod Museum in america, a drift car and a CRx Edited January 13, 2015 by StevoD 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve916 Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 You lot still at it? Makes enjoyable reading this. I loved hot rods years ago, but they were of the old variety, sit up and beg, fat tyred, ford pop style. I guess times move on, and there's always a modern day version Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 As beauty is in the eye of the beholder.......so is a hot rod so whether we all agree on the definition is immaterial. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 Stevo laying the smack down in a way that's understandable to everyone. Someone call the mayor of winnersville and tell him there is a new sheriff in town. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 Stevo laying the smack down in a way that's understandable to everyone. Someone call the mayor of winnersville and tell him there is a new sheriff in town. Sensei your teaching has paid well yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisB Posted January 13, 2015 Share Posted January 13, 2015 I must admit, I originally thought Stevod was off on another tangent, but he's won me over.. Rodding maybe best defined by the spirit, not just the old school styling. The old school Americana styling likely came from the grass roots lack of wallet meaning old scrap cars were all that were accessible, and a lot of passion was required to make something that was both daft and great at the same time That or a spin off from hooch running across state lines ? Bit tippsy as we've been celebrating - no real idea what I'm talking about, but it sounds good in my head 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock_Steady Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Personally, I think if you're changing the appearance of a car to your own personal taste (not necessarily making bespoke parts yourself) and making it go faster than it was intended to, I think that can qualify as being a Hot Rod. Yes, it was of an era where the cars of that era were used and were continued to be used well after they had stopped being made, that was just the fashion. It has evolved, perhaps unwittingly, but in the shape of more modern European and JDM cars. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 OK then, Steve is the master of the Hot Rod. So whats the modern day definition of a Hot Rod Steve? Are Wasso and Ian making Hot Rods? If you spend more on suspension than power does that make it something else? Ill still stick with the one Ive posted a couple of times here, something thats modified on the cheap to go fast in straight lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 OK then, Steve is the master of the Hot Rod. So whats the modern day definition of a Hot Rod Steve? Are Wasso and Ian making Hot Rods? If you spend more on suspension than power does that make it something else? Ill still stick with the one Ive posted a couple of times here, something thats modified on the cheap to go fast in straight lines. Define cheap. Another mans Cheap is another mans Expense. Out in the states, it will cost Wasso's project a fraction of the cost he is actually paying here in the UK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock_Steady Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) I imagine that when Hot Rodding became popular there were not a set of rules that were gospel to the recipe, i.e how much you spent qualified a Hot Rod, or what you intend it to do. The nature of modding cars is usually expensive anyway. I'd put it down to what you've done to the car rather than how much you spent on it. Edited January 14, 2015 by Rock_Steady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Can someone please change the title of this thread, it's doing my head in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 OK then, Steve is the master of the Hot Rod. So whats the modern day definition of a Hot Rod Steve? Are Wasso and Ian making Hot Rods? If you spend more on suspension than power does that make it something else? Ill still stick with the one Ive posted a couple of times here, something thats modified on the cheap to go fast in straight lines. Define cheap. Done to the tightest budget possible, ideally at home using your own labour, secondhand parts sourced yourself and a bit of ingenuity. Like we used to modify cars back in the day before your Garage D's and Norris Designs existed. No that I want to answer Steves Q but if Wasso was doing all the work himself, forgot about any non functional styling mods, had sourced a less expensive engine (SBC rather than LS) then chucked a homebrew supercharger on it Id be a lot more inclined to think of that as a rod. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Can someone please change the title of this thread, it's doing my head in It meant I could get a picture of Rodin in though, Im all for it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) OK then, Steve is the master of the Hot Rod. So whats the modern day definition of a Hot Rod Steve? Are Wasso and Ian making Hot Rods? If you spend more on suspension than power does that make it something else? Ill still stick with the one Ive posted a couple of times here, something thats modified on the cheap to go fast in straight lines. Define cheap. Done to the tightest budget possible, ideally at home using your own labour, secondhand parts sourced yourself and a bit of ingenuity. Like we used to modify cars back in the day before your Garage D's and Norris Designs existed. No that I want to answer Steves Q but if Wasso was doing all the work himself, forgot about any non functional styling mods, had sourced a less expensive engine (SBC rather than LS) then chucked a homebrew supercharger on it Id be a lot more inclined to think of that as a rod. ok so by your own addmission this is not a hot rod, as it, has non functional styling mods, its had a engine built by a shop all the bodywork done by a shop, expensive custom made wheels So by your own rules anything built by chip foose Boyd coddington steve darnell to name a few ARE NOT HOT RODS as there built in the shop there no expense spared builds for customers Edited January 14, 2015 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Thank you Mr Stevo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Post #69 ........... So by your own rules anything built by Foose etc. ARE NOT HOT RODS as there built in the shop there no expense spared builds for customers Post #56 ........... So mr foose might be building Custom show hot rods but hes not building tradition ones Quite. Unless you are counting anything modified with a sit up and beg body as a "Hot Rod" for me they dont qualify' date=' they are chequebook showcars that will probably never see a drag strip. If you are trying to tell me these cars [b']are[/b] "Hot Rods", along with the 240SX, the 240Z and that Jeep that has clearly had 1000's spent on it then when not just classify everything with a cherry bomb and an air filter as a rod too? So what about Ian and Wassos cars then, or are you deliberately avoiding the question because you arent even sure what case you are trying to make now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Post #69 ........... So by your own rules anything built by Foose etc. ARE NOT HOT RODS as there built in the shop there no expense spared builds for customers Post #56 ........... So mr foose might be building Custom show hot rods but hes not building tradition ones Quite. Unless you are counting anything modified with a sit up and beg body as a "Hot Rod" for me they dont qualify' date=' they are chequebook showcars that will probably never see a drag strip. If you are trying to tell me these cars [b']are[/b] "Hot Rods", along with the 240SX, the 240Z and that Jeep that has clearly had 1000's spent on it then when not just classify everything with a cherry bomb and an air filter as a rod too? So what about Ian and Wassos cars then, or are you deliberately avoiding the question because you arent even sure what case you are trying to make now? ok as you really want to push the wasso and ian car, Seeing as i have said traditional hotrods are built with out styling involved all along ill let you decided if there cars look @*!# or not that s13 isnt built to 'look cool' its made to go fast period nothing else are you trying to say that wasso and bizz cars are cheap bangers with go fast engines? as my point is already out there so not sure why you keep asking and going to your first post in this thread "Oh, and just as an aside, do a Google Search for Hot Rods ........... the result seems pretty conclusive to me." well google shows cars by the foose etc, so can you be a bit more constant with your view as it started as what google says a hot rod is, then it can be anything aslong as it s a drag car built by someone in a shed for peanuts with no styling mods something that mr foose doesnt build , and then in your last post one of the most famous drag type builds a Gasser (sit up and beg body) which is built for drag racing now isnt a hot rod can you make your mind up please ? Edited January 14, 2015 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Not once in 4 pages have you actually said what YOU think a Hot Rod is, yet youve told everyone else they dont know. You clearly contradicted yourself in posts #56 and #69 but youre telling me to make my mind up and you STILL havent told us whether you consider Ian and Wassos cars to be Hot Rods, thats 4 times now. I find it rather ironic that you have started a thread about Hot Rods, have told anyone sticking a 2p in that they dont know what they are on about and still havent actually offered any definition yourself. I think its called trolling, isnt it? For me the spirit of Rodding is as Ive said throughout, fast, cheap and light, but youd be a fool if you dont accept a Foose car as a Rod either. It also says a lot that the major drag authority in the world is the National Hot Rod Association, and that if you talk about Hot Rods to anyone in UK stock racing they think of this: So come on Steve, seeing as youre doing most of the arguing, what make a Hot Rod for YOU? What point exactly are you trying to make here? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted January 14, 2015 Author Share Posted January 14, 2015 (edited) Mr docwra as below my point is the s13 is MODERN day hot rodding, you, rich and ricky told me point blank its not for XYZ reasons be it it doesn't look like it or its got to be a drag car etc etc My point for the **** knows how many time ive said it, a Hot Rod isnt defined by a certain era or 'scene' its in the spirit of it, What the guys in the 50s did the guys in the 2000's are doing the same just different hardware Im sure after posting it so many times it must have sinked in by now what my point is. Not hot rods ! hot rod verb gerund or present participle: hot-rodding 1. modify (a vehicle or other device) to make it faster or more powerful. "I was told the program did an even better job of hot-rodding hardware" 2. drive a hot rod. "as a teenager he preferred a steady wage and time to go out hot-rodding" you alot in this thread have contradicted your self on what a hot rod is its a car built for straight line speed with no styling involved for bargin money Then you say you cant say a chip foose 300k sema hot rod isnt a hot rod ive not said once any car isnt a hot rod, ive question some of your statements with your own statements as they dont match. Edited January 14, 2015 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 14, 2015 Share Posted January 14, 2015 Hot Rods pretty much died out years ago (in terms of the number of cars being made in the 20s to 40s style), so these societies have had to make things up as they go along to be able to stay in business. They HAD to change what a hot rod was, else they'd have been signing their own P45. Whether they agreed with that or not. Adapt or die. I know what I consider to be a hot rod, and if that conflicts with an official body that has changed drastically over the years then so be it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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