MeisterR Posted November 6, 2014 Share Posted November 6, 2014 (edited) MeisterR has been working over the past 2 years on the development of an amazing British engineered suspension. We didn't want to make something simply different, we wanted to make the best and compete with the best offerings on the market. We have finally arrived at the finish line and the new MeisterR GT1 Coilovers are finally ready. The GT1 coilovers are developed in collaboration between MeisterR and Black Art Design (BAD). BAD is a well known British suspension company responsible for many race winning cars. Their portfolio range from the DAX Rush, Noble, Classic Austin Martin, to the fastest privateer Ford RS200 in the Colorado Pike Peaks. The GT1 coilovers have many custom in-house made parts that are truly cutting edge engineering. As there are so many technical features on the GT1 coilovers, we are still compiling a presentation that can show off these features in an easy to read format. But here is a little teaser video I made up for the GT1 Coilovers The GT1 coilovers retail at £1650, and we want to provide a few benefits to members that may be interested. Here are a few points we are thinking about and we want the community's opinion. 1. Life-Time Warranty on hydraulic function to the original purchaser: That is right, the GT1 damper is built to such a high specification that technically speaking, unless it is physically damaged (such as a bent / scored shaft), it will continue to operate forever… even under racing condition. However, parts exposed to the element will wear over time so you really can't give a lifetime warranty on those, but the actual damper itself will continue to function for years, we are that confident of the quality. The warranty means, if you go to Nurburg every weekend and a damper failed after a run 3 years later, we will rebuild it for free. If you crash into the Armco and bent the rod, or run into the gravel and scored the damper shaft causing the damper to fail, then it isn't cover. Sounds pretty fair? 2. Upgrade from Zeta-S / Zeta-R / Europa to GT1 Coilovers: We feel that some MeisterR owners would want to upgrade to the GT1 in the future. So we want to make an upgrade program for those who have purchased the Zeta-S / Zeta-R / Europa coilovers. Our initial thought is, you can purchase a set of GT1 coilovers, and after installation you can send back your old set of MeisterR coilovers and we will refund you £350 (Around 50% of the purchase price) for your old set. That way you get a brand new set GT1 in your hand, and there is no need to try to sell the old set of suspensions or wait for a rebuild. So what do you think of the life-time warranty and the upgrade option with the GT1 Coilovers? Do you have anything else that you feel could be beneficial to the end user. We are always open to opinions and suggestions. Jerrick / Edwin Edited November 6, 2014 by MeisterR 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeisterR Posted November 9, 2014 Author Share Posted November 9, 2014 A few owners have ask me about more details of the GT1, so I thought I give a little more info. While the outside of the GT1 look similar to the Zeta-R, the internal is completely different. I'll try to name a few parts, but there are quite a lot: 1. GT1 Piston: Precision CNC Aluminium: there are quite a few feature in this piston, I will work put up the details later. 2. GT1 bump stop: Progressive rate bump stop design to come into play progressively to aid comfort. 3. GT1 damper shaft seal: CNC made in house using Ultrasound tested Austrian Polyurethane. A normal damper will never exceed 40 bars of pressure, our shaft seal is rated to 400 bars. This damper shaft seal is one main reason we offer a Life-time Warranty, because it is actually that good. Like I said before, the life-time warranty is for the life of the original purchaser, but no limitation on time or miles. The long as nothing is physically damaged such as a bent rod or a score shaft, we will rebuild it free of charge if oil leak because the shaft seal fail. BAD have use this seal in Rally Cars that come back for a rebuild 5 years later and the seal look new. This isn't something that can be bought off the shelf, that is why we make them in house. We haven't done any back to back testing against the Zeta-R (also it is something difficult to quantify). But we know the GT1 will out last the Zeta (or any other suspension for that matter) pretty much in a test of durability. The GT1 use an ultra high heat index hydraulic oil from Millers, what that mean is the GT1 will not suffer fade issue no matter how hard you push the suspensions (BAD use the same oil in Rally cars). All the internal of the GT1 are made in the UK (most of the bits are CNC machined… in Essex), and assemble at BAD headquarter in Essex also. All in all, we done everything possible to improve the suspension performance and durability. A lot of the engineering are bespoke and way above what are normally seen in the suspensions world; we want the GT1 to be a suspension that will set a new bench mark. Jerrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanman312 Posted November 18, 2014 Share Posted November 18, 2014 what sort of price are they 370z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeisterR Posted November 30, 2014 Author Share Posted November 30, 2014 what sort of price are they 370z We are just getting the GT1 ready for release now. For the 370Z they will be £1650 inc VAT and delivery. They will be the OEM design and retain the rear inboard springs. Jerrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilp Posted November 30, 2014 Share Posted November 30, 2014 Thats very expensive IMO and will hinder sales. At that price you are starting to get into Ohlins territory and well above the likes of the tried & tested KW V3's/clubsport etc. What you will have to look at is, besides the sales pitch about custom parts etc, how can you prove these are better than the likes of KW & Ohlins? Are these going to be fitted to any race cars for testing? What testing are they going to be going through? People will look for specifics, and with that price you will need to have a very good sales pitch. They do however sound interesting, but as i've said before, the price will limit your market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeisterR Posted December 1, 2014 Author Share Posted December 1, 2014 Thats very expensive IMO and will hinder sales. At that price you are starting to get into Ohlins territory and well above the likes of the tried & tested KW V3's/clubsport etc. What you will have to look at is, besides the sales pitch about custom parts etc, how can you prove these are better than the likes of KW & Ohlins? Are these going to be fitted to any race cars for testing? What testing are they going to be going through? People will look for specifics, and with that price you will need to have a very good sales pitch. They do however sound interesting, but as i've said before, the price will limit your market. The GT1 really are in the realm of Ohlins DFV in terms of performance, and will also come with a lifetime warranty which I don't think Ohlins would even consider. We are offering the lifetime warranty not because we want to fix dampers, we are offering it because with the advance seal we are using, the damper won't fail unless physically damaged. The same seal design had been employed by BAD for years, they have rebuild suspension on rally car that are 5 year old and the seal look new. In terms of performance, the GT1 are built by Black Art Design (BAD) who is extremely successful within the racing circle, from pro racer to pike peak race car. They also do many OEM application and is the appointed firm for special suspension project by Milbrooks Proving Ground. We have done a few set of prototype GT1 this year for a few race driver, all have come back with podium finish from championship / sprint / endurance races. We done an 8 hours endurance race with the GT1 and finish 3rd, only behind 2 invitational professional driver in pure endurance race car. So we are please with that result, and the GT1 performed faultless for 8 hours continuously under racing condition. The GT1 is quite a big step up from the the Zeta-S / Zeta-R. The advanced engineering allows the suspension to provide very good vehicle dynamic for a wide range of duty over different road surfaces. That is actually more difficult to do than a bespoke race setup, as there are much more to consider. Ohlins DFV is sort of the gold standard to hit. KW V3 / Clubsport isn't really a target I personally feel they don't even stack up close to Ohlins. I personally always prefer Mono-tube damper over twin-tube, and at this price range KW is the only company still offering twin-tube damper It will take time to build the GT1 name up, but we are confident that the GT1 will provide a better performance at a better price if you compare it to other suspension within this price sector. Jerrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nissanman312 Posted December 1, 2014 Share Posted December 1, 2014 so you will be looking for a 370z owner to trail these for you then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeisterR Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 so you will be looking for a 370z owner to trail these for you then The GT1 are custom build, but if you are interested we can always work something out. We have been developing the GT1 for the past 2 years and they have been tested for the past year. We have put the GT1 on a road driven sprit car (EVO6 RS), and it finished 2nd place in the MLR Sprint Series Class B Championship. So they do what they say on the box, a package that provide compliant ride for daily that is also competitive on the track. Jerrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeisterR Posted December 2, 2014 Author Share Posted December 2, 2014 A quick view of the first few set of the new MeisterR GT1 coilovers. Mitsubishi Evolution X [ CZ4A ] ( Also available for EVO4 CP9A to EVO9 CT9A ) Toyota GT86[ ZN6 ] / Subaru BRZ [ ZC6 ] Nissan Skyline R32 GTR [ BNR32 ] ( Also available for R33 / R34 / R35 ) We will have more technical details for release soon. Jerrick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted December 9, 2014 Share Posted December 9, 2014 Jerrick I maybe interested to give this a go on my track spec 350z if we can come to some promotional arrangements but I would need the tech specs on this especially the shock dyno. I'm on my 4th set of coilovers now and was going to get a custom set for my needs so my interest. Secondly I would need the rear as a true coilover design. WRT the twin tube vs monotube argument it's not black and white. There are advantages for both and I do agree most race spec dampers are monotubes but to say the KW twin tube is inferior to monotubes is incorrect. They have serious experience and R&D to back it and the twin tube is adequate for their V series coilies and clubsport. A lot of rubbish brands spout the monotube lingo to suggest their damper are up to scratch but these are so poorly designed that it not worth it. Same as a lot of cheapo Re twin tubes. Bottom line it comes down to using quality parts, good valving tech and durability. From what you are saying is meister R has affiliated itself with a suspension guru firm so as to raise the bar and that is good thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeisterR Posted December 10, 2014 Author Share Posted December 10, 2014 We custom build all GT1 coilovers, so tech spec will depend on "what" you are using the car for. A road driven track car will have different spec to a trailered to track race car. A car on semi-slick will have different spec to a full slick A professional driver will have a different spec to a club driver All that that will depends on what the person want, what the car build spec are like, and what is it's purposes. We have 40 odd different variation of damper valving combination to suit different requirement. True coilover is easy on the 350Z, but you may need to reinforce your rear turret. We have ran it with many cars before without any issue, but we always want to give it as a recommendation. As for mono vs twin tube, there is always an argument and it isn't black and white as you say. Mono tube have less parts, and because of that it is also much easier to "repeat" the build process. However, mono tube need to have very precise parts; throw some crap in there and watch the suspension not work at all. For us, we always go with mono because it is easier to build and yield better performance. The important part is to make sure all the small bits are high quality with high tolerance, because you put in junk you get junk. Another important thing is the experience in the valving specification. BAD have a long history of racing and OEM experience in designing valving to provide the wanted vehicle dynamic. We can easily take a set of BC / D2 / etc and re-valve it to provide speculator result, but you are limited by the piston design. However, using all the simple "parts" but throw in the right experience can achieve a product of great performance… which is what we do with the Zeta-S / Zeta-R range. Jerrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted December 10, 2014 Share Posted December 10, 2014 Nice one Jerrick 👠Yes I would be adding a reinforcement plate on the turret while sound the roll cage sometime this winter or spring. The car is for trackdays and eventually do some invitational races. I wouldn't go past using R compound tyres . What size pistons are you using? Are the dampers an inverted design? How much adjustability will they have? Who makes your springs? I already have an idea of the front and race spring rates I want to run based on my personal trial and error and recently using a race calculators factoring in my corner weights etc. I'll pm you my details so we can take this further via tel/email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeisterR Posted January 13, 2015 Author Share Posted January 13, 2015 We are just back from displaying at Autosport International with the MeisterR GT1 as it's centre piece. Here is a few photo of our "little" stand. A lot of interests from many owners regarding the GT1 coilovers. Many have heard about the GT1 but it was not until they see the internal parts of the GT1 in person that they are thoroughly impressed. We have a lot of data to present so we will bring out more details regarding the GT1 once we organise them. Jerrick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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