MikeM1986a Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share Posted November 3, 2014 Am I potentially getting ahead of myself here by the way? Given the car drives seemingly fine, if I replace the oil and the pressure goes up - possibly even get an oil change - then may it be the case that the car will be fine anyway, with perhaps just a little wear and tear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMANALEX Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Am I potentially getting ahead of myself here by the way? Given the car drives seemingly fine, if I replace the oil and the pressure goes up - possibly even get an oil change - then may it be the case that the car will be fine anyway, with perhaps just a little wear and tear? Perhaps, but it may be a ticking time bomb. Once you have the oil level sorted, will you be confident enough to give it some beans ??? Considering what you have signed and with no written warranty then I think that you are unfortunately shafted mate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Get it checked by an independent motor engineer, at least he will check oil pressure with a mechanical gauge, that way it will either put your mind at rest or not, changing the oil grade will simply mask things, if the oil pressure remains below the limits in the manual then I'm afraid you do have a problem....but I'll keep my fingers crossed for you, good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I though even a private sale of a SH vehicle still had to be fit for purpose? No. It can fall to pieces the second you drive it away, as long as there was no misrepresentation. Caveat emptor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) It all depends on what the car stands you in, is it worth all the grief and your not sure if you have a problem or not . I would get a service done by an Independent Garage recommended on here and a report on condition done Then squeeze the dealer for £500, or you will take it to the Consumer court. Good Luck. Edited November 3, 2014 by WhackyWill Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) I though even a private sale of a SH vehicle still had to be fit for purpose? although I think your now going to have to resort to having it examined by a qualified technician in order to prove this. Did you sign anything stating that you bought having tested and approved.. No, there is no implied term as to the fitness for purpose in private sales. There is an implied term as to the title, ie the seller must actually own the car, but that is about it. The only resort that you might have in private sale cases is in misrepresentation, meaning that, for example, if the seller told you (or in an ad) that the mileage is 50k, but it actually is 100k, then you can have a remedy. Otherwise it is buyer beware. I said that, as a hypothetical, if the mechanic, whoever that may be, comes back and does say it's an underlying issue with the engine would he refund it, to which he said he'd rather get it repaired which he's in his right to do - and rightly so, albeit imagine it would be quite a hefty cost. It is not his right to do so unless you are deemed to have accepted the car. There are 2 different scenarios here: 1. You have accepted the car and there is a problem in which case he can repair and 2. You have not accepted the car, in which case you have the right to return it if any conditions of the contract of sale are broken, which includes implied condition of fitness in SGA1979. Yes I did, it sold said as tested. Also there's no paperwork referring to the guarantee, but regardless if it's seen as a sale from a dealer then, whether there's paperwork or not, they have to offer a standard warranty as per trading standards regs. Correct, but not "as per trading standards regs", but as per the Sale of Goods Act 1979. And not really a warranty, but close enough I guess. Edited November 3, 2014 by comrade 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Yes I did, it sold said as tested. Also there's no paperwork referring to the guarantee, but regardless if it's seen as a sale from a dealer then, whether there's paperwork or not, they have to offer a standard warranty as per trading standards regs. You don't have any kind of warranty. No paperwork = no warranty. You're now relying 100% on SOGA and fit for purpose. WHERE DID YOU BUY THE CAR FROM? GARAGE FORECOURT, YOUR HOUSE, RANDOM ROAD IN THE MIDDLE OF NOWHERE...? And stop looking at the pressure, that's not your problem here! It may go up, or it may stay the same, or it may fly off the scale. That could be reading incorrectly, it's the lack of physical oil in your sump that's the issue here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I like this Comrade guy. He knows his onions. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I like this Comrade guy. He knows his onions. I actually studied that stuff at the uni. Should be taught at schools to everyone, in my opinion. There are way too many misconceptions going on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newkid Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 How much oil was in it exactly ? Was it near the empty line ? Or barely on the dip stick ? Did you push dip stick in fully ? They are a bit tricky. I would check oil properly then gather all my evidence if their is a problem including all conversations in writing between you and the dealer, paperwork, bank statements, adverts, his registered business number, then inform trading standards of your intent to open a case. They will advise you to talk to the dealer first, do this and tell him you have opened a case. He may buckle, he may not. Then go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newkid Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Atleast this way if in the near future something goes pop you have evidence to say it was a known issue when the vehicle was bought and the dealer refused to act, he may then be liable for repair costs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tricky-Ricky Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 And stop looking at the pressure, that's not your problem here! It may go up, or it may stay the same, or it may fly off the scale. That could be reading incorrectly, it's the lack of physical oil in your sump that's the issue here. Doesn't the oil light come on when the pressure drops below the pressure safety threshold? if so it still could be down to a bad sensor...trying to throw the guy a lifeline here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newkid Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Or.... stick oil in it, if it drives ok...just drive it til it goes bang (if it ever does) then put a used engine in it (preferably with a supercharger attached) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 I like this Comrade guy. He knows his onions. I actually studied that stuff at the uni. Should be taught at schools to everyone, in my opinion. There are way too many misconceptions going on. I did the same at A-level, I figured that you'd probably studied this somewhere given your response. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM1986a Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share Posted November 3, 2014 Bought it from an independent dealer in Birmingham, rather not give out his name as don't want it to seem slanderous if nothing major in the end. Went to his property, which clearly doubles up as a place of business as have number of vehicles there in state of repair etc. and for sale. It is my stupid fault for not getting quite clearly in writing the warranty and cover and for it to state quite clearly it's buying from a dealer - an issue that he's skirted around up until now. However not checking the oil was crazy but he'd said to me circa 2-3 times he's done the levels so they're all sorted.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM1986a Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share Posted November 3, 2014 As a thinking ahead / worst case scenario - if the engine does go, what would the cost be for a replacement and the labour involved to put in a used one? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 As a thinking ahead / worst case scenario - if the engine does go, what would the cost be for a replacement and the labour involved to put in a used one? Zmanalex will be along with a quote for you to replace it.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newkid Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 As a thinking ahead / worst case scenario - if the engine does go, what would the cost be for a replacement and the labour involved to put in a used one? In all honesty, I think it will be fine. Aslong as there was some oil in it, enough to be on the dipstick I imagine in your ownership you wont see a problem ( maybe later on in its life) depending on the time your hoping to keep it. Its surprising the abuse modern engines can take. My misses has regurlarly been pottering about with very little oil as she believes cars are immune to any sort of damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
newkid Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 As a thinking ahead / worst case scenario - if the engine does go, what would the cost be for a replacement and the labour involved to put in a used one? In all honesty, I think it will be fine. Aslong as there was some oil in it, enough to be on the dipstick I imagine in your ownership you wont see a problem ( maybe later on in its life) depending on the time your hoping to keep it. Its surprising the abuse modern engines can take. My misses has regurlarly been pottering about with very little oil as she believes cars are immune to any sort of damage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
comrade Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Mike Change the oil/filter. If the problem disappears then you are in a waiting game. If it does not, then we can discuss your options. I understand your worries, but there is no point in overthinking hypothetical scenarios and getting wound up about it. For all we know, it might be the most reliable car you ever owned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMANALEX Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 As a thinking ahead / worst case scenario - if the engine does go, what would the cost be for a replacement and the labour involved to put in a used one? The answer to this question is in post #21 Do you not read your replies ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM1986a Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share Posted November 3, 2014 Didn't know if that was the total cost, or just the cost of a used engine - assuming total then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeM1986a Posted November 3, 2014 Author Share Posted November 3, 2014 Fingers crossed comrade, thanks the words of reassurance : ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMANALEX Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 Didn't know if that was the total cost, or just the cost of a used engine - assuming total then? Total + any other parts that you decide to swop out when you are in there. Add another £700.00 for a clutch and fly. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
370Ad Posted November 3, 2014 Share Posted November 3, 2014 If there was no oil on the dipstick I think you will see issues very soon. Is there any blue smoke on start up? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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