WhackyWill Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Drivers warned to brush up on new road tax rules or face £1,000 fine as the disc disappears from windscreens in October End to practice whereby car sellers include remaining tax in sale Drivers will no longer need a tax disc from October Onus is on the seller to inform the DVLA of ownership change The tax disc with months left to run has long been a handy money-saving perk when buying a used car, but new rules will see that benefit axed from October when they vanish from our windscreens. And motorists need to be aware of impending tax disc changes or face a £1,000 fine as well as potential penalty charges against a car they no longer own, experts warn. Automatic number plate recognition cameras enforcing road tax will end any tax disc is in the post excuses and spell penalties for those who forget to renew, while those buying and selling used cars will need to make doubly sure everything is done by the book. The death of the tax disc has been well documented. It was revealed thas the Government was plotting its demise back in 2012 and the change was officially announced in last year’s Autumn Statement. Yet experts at hpicheck.com say many drivers are likely to get caught out and now realise that the end of the tax disc will also see a tightening of enforcement. From 1 October 2014, the Driving Vehicle and Licensing Agency will stop issuing paper tax discs and instead make the system digital. Drivers will instead have the option to pay via Direct Debit or via the Post Office. Car owners still need to have paid vehicle tax to drive or keep a vehicle on the road, but police cameras will automatically check a car’s number plate to establish if this has been paid. The move away from paper discs will save motorists money on postage and will offer more flexible payment options, while it will also make it harder for tax dodgers to drive untaxed. Estimates show it will save the taxpayer £10million every year. It spells the end of the iconic tax disc, which firstappeared in 1921. The new rules also reinforce the onus on used car sellers to inform the DVLA of the change of ownership. HPI provider, hpicheck.com, warns those caught unaware could face fines and charges. This means for used car buyers, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferred while those selling can claw back unused tax. Shane Teskey, senior consumer services manager at hpicheck.com, said: ‘Sellers who fail to inform the DVLA, could be fined and they will still be liable for any speeding or parking fines and vehicle tax for a car they don’t even own any more. ‘We remind sellers to always send the V5C to the DVLA, rather than relying on the buyer to do it. And if they scrap a vehicle, they should get a Certificate of Destruction from an authorised treatment facility.’ The DVLA said it is important to notify it straight away of a change to ownership, otherwise the registered keeper could still be liable for the vehicle. This means that those who sell their car need to get forms filled in and sent off straight away rather than leaving them sat around. Failure to do so can also result in a £1,000 fine. Shane added: ‘We’re hoping that the new DVLA initiatives will make it harder for dodgy drivers to head out on the road untaxed. ‘It’s easy to check if your vehicle is taxed by heading online at the Vehicle Enquiry Service, making this the first step for anyone planning to sell their vehicle and avoid the risk of fines.’ Edited August 14, 2014 by WhackyWill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 End to practice whereby car sellers include remaining tax in sale Drivers will no longer need a tax disc from October Onus is on the seller to inform the DVLA of ownership change The tax disc with months left to run has long been a handy money-saving perk when buying a used car, but new rules will see that benefit axed from October when they vanish from our windscreens. And motorists need to be aware of impending tax disc changes or face a £1,000 fine as well as potential penalty charges against a car they no longer own, experts warn. Automatic number plate recognition cameras enforcing road tax will end any tax disc is in the post excuses and spell penalties for those who forget to renew, while those buying and selling used cars will need to make doubly sure everything is done by the book. The death of the tax disc has been well documented. It was revealed thas the Government was plotting its demise back in 2012 and the change was officially announced in last year’s Autumn Statement. Yet experts at hpicheck.com say many drivers are likely to get caught out and now realise that the end of the tax disc will also see a tightening of enforcement. From 1 October 2014, the Driving Vehicle and Licensing Agency will stop issuing paper tax discs and instead make the system digital. Drivers will instead have the option to pay via Direct Debit or via the Post Office. Car owners still need to have paid vehicle tax to drive or keep a vehicle on the road, but police cameras will automatically check a car’s number plate to establish if this has been paid. The move away from paper discs will save motorists money on postage and will offer more flexible payment options, while it will also make it harder for tax dodgers to drive untaxed. Estimates show it will save the taxpayer £10million every year. It spells the end of the iconic tax disc, which firstappeared in 1921. The new rules also reinforce the onus on used car sellers to inform the DVLA of the change of ownership. HPI provider, hpicheck.com, warns those caught unaware could face fines and charges. This means for used car buyers, the vehicle tax will no longer be transferred while those selling can claw back unused tax. Shane Teskey, senior consumer services manager at hpicheck.com, said: ‘Sellers who fail to inform the DVLA, could be fined and they will still be liable for any speeding or parking fines and vehicle tax for a car they don’t even own any more. ‘We remind sellers to always send the V5C to the DVLA, rather than relying on the buyer to do it. And if they scrap a vehicle, they should get a Certificate of Destruction from an authorised treatment facility.’ The DVLA said it is important to notify it straight away of a change to ownership, otherwise the registered keeper could still be liable for the vehicle. This means that those who sell their car need to get forms filled in and sent off straight away rather than leaving them sat around. Failure to do so can also result in a £1,000 fine. Shane added: ‘We’re hoping that the new DVLA initiatives will make it harder for dodgy drivers to head out on the road untaxed. ‘It’s easy to check if your vehicle is taxed by heading online at the Vehicle Enquiry Service, making this the first step for anyone planning to sell their vehicle and avoid the risk of fines.’ Fixed that for you Will Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ewen@Clark Motorsport Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So basically if you sell a car on the second of the month with one months tax remaining you lose that and the new owner has to pay for tax from that date. Yet another DVLA scam to get more money from us 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 So basically if you sell a car on the second of the month with one months tax remaining you lose that and the new owner has to pay for tax from that date. Yet another DVLA scam to get more money from us That's what it looks like..as you say another scam..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
370Ad Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So you can pay via direct debit, which I see as a good thing but I wonder what charge they will put on this compared with paying for the whole year upfront. Any figures around this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyZed Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Well that's good as I've never displayed a tax disk on my motorbikes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So you can pay via direct debit, which I see as a good thing but I wonder what charge they will put on this compared with paying for the whole year upfront. Any figures around this? 100% = No fee's 6months = 10% Fee Monthly = 5% fee 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Pro's Much nicer taking pictures of the car without a crappy thing in the windscreen ruining the shot. No stupid bit of paper to rip out of another bit of paper, which you will inevitably screw up and tear the disc in mostly in half. No need to remember to actually put the stupid bit of paper in your car, it's like saying if you dont have the reciept for your shopping stapled to your forehead, tesco will treat it like you're stealing all the food you just bought. Con's Your pretty metal engraved tax disc holder is now a worthless posh coaster for your mug You're going to have to spend ages scraping the residue off your windscreen left from the holder Stupid points of note: Why the hell does it need to rely on cameras catching you, your car is either, taxed, not taxed or SORN. If it lapses you get fined instantly, end of. It should be automatic direct debit until you say otherwise. Edited August 14, 2014 by Husky 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmck13 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Could be worse you could be an ebay seller with 10,000 tax disc holders all inscribed 350z and must sell now. . Edited, Husky just beat me with a plan to make me a millionaire there goes my coasters. Edited August 14, 2014 by cmck13 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Could be worse you could be an ebay seller with 10,000 tax disc holders all inscribed 350z and must sell now. Thinking about it they might try and sell them as tea coasters. Mmmm. could be a plan. Great minds! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 So you can pay via direct debit, which I see as a good thing but I wonder what charge they will put on this compared with paying for the whole year upfront. Any figures around this? 100% = No fee's 6months = 10% Fee Monthly = 5% fee You sure that's the right way around ..and not 6 months 5% and Monthly 10%..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So you can pay via direct debit, which I see as a good thing but I wonder what charge they will put on this compared with paying for the whole year upfront. Any figures around this? 100% = No fee's 6months = 10% Fee Monthly = 5% fee You sure that's the right way around ..and not 6 months 5% and Monthly 10%..!! Nope, when the 1st thread cropped up about this 6months ago, some one posted these figures. Apparently they want to encourage people to use DD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Should be interesting for me when I buy stock then! I'm taking it that means any used car dealer better have an off road plot to perch their wares upon? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted August 14, 2014 Author Share Posted August 14, 2014 My new £275 for 6 months "rip off" tax disc just turned up this morning so it will be on my windscreen until end of Feb 15.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjf1985 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Atleast when I'm paying £500 a year I have something to show for it with a little piece of paper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisS Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So basically if you sell a car on the second of the month with one months tax remaining you lose that and the new owner has to pay for tax from that date. Yet another DVLA scam to get more money from us Not much of a change, as 99.9% of dealers just surrender the disc to the DVLA to claim the rest of the money back. They treat it as their perk. (Maybe they can't now.) The DVLA have always had the part of a month thing for sale and purchase. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnH Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I hope there's some way of looking at Tax history that doesn't get deleted after 5 years, it's always nice seeing 40 odd tax discs with an old cars history. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjf1985 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So basically if you sell a car on the second of the month with one months tax remaining you lose that and the new owner has to pay for tax from that date. Yet another DVLA scam to get more money from us Not much of a change, as 99.9% of dealers just surrender the disc to the DVLA to claim the rest of the money back. They treat it as their perk. (Maybe they can't now.) The DVLA have always had the part of a month thing for sale and purchase. Where I work we just leave it on the car and charge for the remaining tax, or use it as a bargaining tool lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voodoo Vix Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So when we sell a car and get the tax refunded, how is the buyer going to apply for new tax without having the V5 (which can take weeks to get through)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjf1985 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) So when we sell a car and get the tax refunded, how is the buyer going to apply for new tax without having the V5 (which can take weeks to get through)? If its a dealership then the seller hands over the V5C with the car to the dealer. So the dealership would have the V5C straight away to apply for the new tax. If its a private sale or you sort out tax yourself as the buyer, you will only require the small green tear-off part of the V5C to apply for the tax. Edited August 14, 2014 by pjf1985 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So you can pay via direct debit, which I see as a good thing but I wonder what charge they will put on this compared with paying for the whole year upfront. Any figures around this? 100% = No fee's 6months = 10% Fee Monthly = 5% fee You sure that's the right way around ..and not 6 months 5% and Monthly 10%..!! Nope, when the 1st thread cropped up about this 6months ago, some one posted these figures. Apparently they want to encourage people to use DD Not quite. There is no additional percentage for paying the whole year up front, and the percentage cost for paying bi-annually drops from 10% to 5%. The cost increase for maying monthly will also be 5% DVLA website link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pjf1985 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 So you can pay via direct debit, which I see as a good thing but I wonder what charge they will put on this compared with paying for the whole year upfront. Any figures around this? 100% = No fee's 6months = 10% Fee Monthly = 5% fee You sure that's the right way around ..and not 6 months 5% and Monthly 10%..!! Nope, when the 1st thread cropped up about this 6months ago, some one posted these figures. Apparently they want to encourage people to use DD Not quite. There is no additional percentage for paying the whole year up front, and the percentage cost for paying bi-annually drops from 10% to 5%. The cost increase for maying monthly will also be 5% DVLA website link That's good! It's a killer paying the full amount so I very often do 6 months. I'll go with the monthly direct debits though if its only charged at 5% difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Why the hell should it [5%] be charged at all! Because they aren't raking in interest from holding the amount for the full year? Disgraceful. It's a tax, paid monthly or yearly should make naff all difference! Edited August 14, 2014 by Husky 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tatooandy67 Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Why the hell should it [5%] be charged at all! Because they aren't raking in interest from holding the amount for the full year? Disgraceful. It's a tax, paid monthly or yearly should make naff all difference! Absolutely agree...... there's always a sting somewhere but at least for some (me included) it will be a whole lot easier paying monthly DD rather than the whole lot in a lump 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
370Ad Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Makes the higher priced Z's £42.44 a month which 'sounds' quite reasonable compared with the £485 in one month. Mines due this month though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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