WhackyWill Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 What about if it was all over the pavement, how would everyone feel then? Just curious. I can't say I've ever had a problem with horse plop, it's not exactly common. i get it often even post a picture where once means i have to walk in the road or walk threw a 2 square ft clump of @*!# Quite often, its been there a while already, once dried its like a soft stress ball, just pick up a piece, squeeze it, throw it, even do some kick ups its great! During the War they used to smoke it.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) BTCC cars dont tend to be used or parked on public roads... silly argument but its not a tax for the road its an emmsion tax so it is no its not... you could have the biggest oil burning turbo charged drag racer and as long as it is not going to go on the public highway you dont have to pay any vehicle excise duty.... honestly do a search and read up on the rules.... Congratulation you have no idea what im on about, it was posted that the road tax stop being a tax of the road in 1930 and that it is now a tax for the use of and emission produced by said vehicle not for use on the road so horse, bike, skateboarders whatever don't have to pay it as the produce no emissions, to which my reply was was a BTCC car doesn't pay tax yet produce @*!# loads of emissions, hence its not a tax of vehicle usage/emissions but is actually a road tax there for anything using it should pay, Granted was tongue in cheek but everyone else go it no no congratulations to you.... i cant believe we are having this conversation in all honesty! try reading the rules and my posts a bit more clearly. VED is a tax that is levied as an excise and which must be paid for most types of vehicle which are to be used (or parked) on the public roads in the united kingdom and the rates of this VED are based on the emissions produced by said vehicle your argument just doesnt work o cool so i can drive up and down the M6 Toll all day without paying tax then as it privately owned just like every race track, i know the rules they just dont make sense bit like stupid rule (the might have changed in last 4 years) you must have a working number plate light, doesn't state it has to actually light the number plate up so i can just unscrew my plate and fit it at the bottom of my number and it will pass a mot Or if you have door fitted they must shut but if you dont have doors fitted you can pass an mot Edited July 9, 2014 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumping350 Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) i dont really have any problems with horses on the roads..they do damage it a fair bit though so think the should pay something for maintenance etc the owners may pay for other taxes but those taxes are on other vehicles (which dont damage the road as much as a horse) is methane an emission?? Plus from a safety aspect the increase for over steer and aquapooing are greatly increased if you hit a wet patch Edited July 9, 2014 by jumping350 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveM Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 vehicle excise duty for bicycles, runners and horses usung the public roads is just plain stupid.... insurance is another matter 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Granted was tongue in cheek but everyone else go it No, Im with other Steve on this - its for vehicles used on the road and is calculated by emissions. Its not just vehicles or BTCC cars would have to pay it, its not just emissions or power stations would have to pay it. As for horses vs dogs, its entirely down to the health aspect, no-one has a problem with horses shitting in fields? Are people just being pedantic for the sake of it - stop and think before you type. EDIT: Oh - and the M6 toll? Ownership doesnt come into it, its privately owned but accessible to the public so the laws of the roads apply. Something like the hill at Goodwood? Not accessible so the laws dont apply. Get nicked doing donuts in Tescos at 3am, tell them its a private road and then see what happens See previous comment about thinking before keying Edited July 9, 2014 by docwra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Granted was tongue in cheek but everyone else go it No, Im with other Steve on this - its for vehicles used on the road and is calculated by emissions. Its not just vehicles or BTCC cars would have to pay it, its not just emissions or power stations would have to pay it. As for horses vs dogs, its entirely down to the health aspect, no-one has a problem with horses shitting in fields? Are people just being pedantic for the sake of it - stop and think before you type. Ummm, they do pay tax don't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveM Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 BTCC cars dont tend to be used or parked on public roads... silly argument but its not a tax for the road its an emmsion tax so it is no its not... you could have the biggest oil burning turbo charged drag racer and as long as it is not going to go on the public highway you dont have to pay any vehicle excise duty.... honestly do a search and read up on the rules.... Congratulation you have no idea what im on about, it was posted that the road tax stop being a tax of the road in 1930 and that it is now a tax for the use of and emission produced by said vehicle not for use on the road so horse, bike, skateboarders whatever don't have to pay it as the produce no emissions, to which my reply was was a BTCC car doesn't pay tax yet produce @*!# loads of emissions, hence its not a tax of vehicle usage/emissions but is actually a road tax there for anything using it should pay, Granted was tongue in cheek but everyone else go it no no congratulations to you.... i cant believe we are having this conversation in all honesty! try reading the rules and my posts a bit more clearly. VED is a tax that is levied as an excise and which must be paid for most types of vehicle which are to be used (or parked) on the public roads in the united kingdom and the rates of this VED are based on the emissions produced by said vehicle your argument just doesnt work o cool so i can drive up and down the M6 Toll all day without paying tax then as it privately owned just like every race track, i know the rules they just dont make sense bit like stupid rule (the might have changed in last 4 years) you must have a working number plate light, doesn't state it has to actually light the number plate up so i can just unscrew my plate and fit it at the bottom of my number and it will pass a mot Or if you have door fitted they must shut but if you dont have doors fitted you can pass an mot granted there are some silly rules.... but rules they are and they are not that hard to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock_Steady Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 Sorry it just frustrates me. I know, it does my head in, A horse did it right outside my driveway. Just pisses me off that Horses can be used on the road. we have horses to thank for roads as they were invented for them but yes, highly annoying to have them still on the road in this day and age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) Granted was tongue in cheek but everyone else go it No, Im with other Steve on this - its for vehicles used on the road and is calculated by emissions. Its not just vehicles or BTCC cars would have to pay it, its not just emissions or power stations would have to pay it. As for horses vs dogs, its entirely down to the health aspect, no-one has a problem with horses shitting in fields? Are people just being pedantic for the sake of it - stop and think before you type. EDIT: Oh - and the M6 toll? Ownership doesnt come into it, its privately owned but accessible to the public so the laws of the roads apply. Something like the hill at Goodwood? Not accessible so the laws dont apply. Get nicked doing donuts in Tescos at 3am, tell them its a private road and then see what happens See previous comment about thinking before keying Power stations do pay emission tax, Edited July 9, 2014 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 An ex-girlfriend of mine had 2 horses, she reckons I had only one think in common with her horses..!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveM Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 you used to shite in the road? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 An ex-girlfriend of mine had 2 horses, she reckons I had only one think in common with her horses..!! a long face 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 vehicle excise duty for bicycles, runners and horses usung the public roads is just plain stupid.... insurance is another matter be interesting to see how much of said money went towards cycle lanes (which most dont use) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 But not VED funnily enough. Bollocks, Im calling it. This is a job for MEGAFACEPALM ........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 You had a pony tail? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 But not VED funnily enough. Bollocks, Im calling it. This is a job for MEGAFACEPALM ........... So why mention power stations when we're talking about vehicles?? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 ok so why is there no VED for boats on Public waterways if VED is for vehicles on public use networks only why dont they pay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveM Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 vehicle excise duty for bicycles, runners and horses usung the public roads is just plain stupid.... insurance is another matter be interesting to see how much of said money went towards cycle lanes (which most dont use) cycle lanes and road repairs are paid for by local government. VED goes to the central government coffers. granted the central gov then passes funds onto the local gov but these road repairs and cycle lanes are not directly paid for by VED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveM Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 ok so why is there no VED for boats on Public waterways if VED is for vehicles on public use networks only why dont they pay to own a boat on a public waterway you have to pay for a boat licence and or registration each year... call it a tax if you want 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 vehicle excise duty for bicycles, runners and horses usung the public roads is just plain stupid.... insurance is another matter be interesting to see how much of said money went towards cycle lanes (which most dont use) cycle lanes and road repairs are paid for by local government. VED goes to the central government coffers. granted the central gov then passes funds onto the local gov but these road repairs and cycle lanes are not directly paid for by VED ok regardless if cyclist dont pay anything towards cycle lanes why are they made for them before your next statement of well they pay council tax so that pays for it, Why should all non cyclists pay towards cycle lanes in the same way cyclists don't pay towards the road network then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveM Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 ok regardless if cyclist dont pay anything towards cycle lanes why are they made for them before your next statement of well they pay council tax so that pays for it, Why should all non cyclists pay towards cycle lanes in the same way cyclists don't pay towards the road network then its a safety issue (by the way i wasnt going to say they pay for them with council tax) cyclists will use the roads, its a clean, green and healthy way of getting about and councils are all for clean and green hence the push for cycle lanes... you know all this already! i get the impression you are having this argument for the sake of having an argument..... M: (Knock) A: Come in. M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument? A: I told you once. M: No you haven't. A: Yes I have. M: When? A: Just now. M: No you didn't. A: Yes I did. M: You didn't A: I did! M: You didn't! A: I'm telling you I did! M: You did not!! A: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour? M: Oh, just the five minutes. A: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did. M: You most certainly did not. A: Look, let's get this thing clear; I quite definitely told you. M: No you did not. A: Yes I did. M: No you didn't. A: Yes I did. M: No you didn't. A: Yes I did. M: No you didn't. A: Yes I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 So why mention power stations when we're talking about vehicles?? Im starting to worry here - why mention BTCC cars when we are talking about road tax? I brought power stations into it as they are an example of something that creates emissions but is not a vehicle, I thought that was relatively obvious? Has the school holidays started early or something? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mouthwash Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 So why mention power stations when we're talking about vehicles?? Im starting to worry here - why mention BTCC cars when we are talking about road tax? I brought power stations into it as they are an example of something that creates emissions but is not a vehicle, I thought that was relatively obvious? Has the school holidays started early or something? What? You should probably take some of your own advice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 (edited) StevoD - give it up mate, much as I love your postings generally youve been proven wrong on VED being solely about emissions, the M6 Toll Road and Boat tax ion 10 odd posts and if you want to know about the MoT questions, it comes down to the fact you cant test something if its not there Edited July 9, 2014 by docwra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted July 9, 2014 Share Posted July 9, 2014 So why mention power stations when we're talking about vehicles?? Im starting to worry here - why mention BTCC cars when we are talking about road tax? I brought power stations into it as they are an example of something that creates emissions but is not a vehicle, I thought that was relatively obvious? Has the school holidays started early or something? What? You should probably take some of your own advice. Are you even reading the same thread? What are you on about? What advice? SteveD post 40: Its not a Road Tax, its an emissions tax Me, post 55: No, Its for vehicles used on the road and is calculated by emissions. Its not just vehicles or BTCC cars would have to pay it, its not just emissions or power stations would have to pay it. Is that confusing somehow? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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