JetSet Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Youre missing the point .......... the 350Z was a mass produced Nissan, available worldwide for 8 odd years. The Z4 Coupe was a limited edition car put together by BMW Motorsport for less than two years and sold less than 5,000 in total, RHD and LHD. In 20 years time, which one is going to be worth the money? Clue: Its probably the one that pretty much every single predecessor it had is now out of the reach of mere mortals, not the one that gets serviced next to a Micra The 240Z was also mass produced, 148,000 were made and really good ones are worth more than a 6 year old Z4M. In any case how many people will buy a Z4M because they'll be worth a bit in 20 years? Unless you lock it away in an air conditioned unit it'll rot just like any other car. Another thing to look at is this, it's true that some cars will appreciate as they become rarer but just look at the figures, if you had bought a 240Z brand new back in the 70's and kept it in tip top condition it'd be worth say 30k today...Another thing, the 240Z cost £2389 in The U.K, I was earning a good wage for a 23 year old back then the equivalent of £40k in todays money but no way could I afford to buy a 240Z which I reckon would have cost around £60k in todays money so unless you have something exceedingly rare in real terms with inflation you're going to loose money. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 What are you on about? Lets take some examples of BMW M cars value today, you know, the ones Im saying are collectors items: CSL: 1300 produced in 1972 - current value £40K+ M635CSi: 8000 produced 1988/89 - current value £20K+ E30 M3 - 16000 produced in 85-92 - current value £15K+ E46 CSL: 1400 produced in 2004, current value £25K+ 1M: 6300 produced in 2011, current value £33K+ These are bottom end prices for the above cars and they are all getting more expensive all the time. The bottom end for a 240Z is about £6K, they are sought after but more because they are all old and have gone rotten than what they were in the first place, you could pick them up for buttons 10/12 years ago. To illustrate the point, forget BMW's and look at the price of old Ford's these days - not Mexico's or RS2000's but stuff like Saph Cossies, XR3Is and S2 RS Turbos. thees were always destined to become collectors cars regardless of how many were made, IMO until there are very few of them left the 350Z is not going to be the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted May 20, 2014 Author Share Posted May 20, 2014 ...... Ok back on topic ....... Just to clarify I'm not looking for an investment ( houses/ land are generally a safer bet) just wanting to know people's opinions and views on the car ....; when said "run" I mean have owned or have experience with the car . Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 if he decided to buy a car without test driving it now that would be silly No it wouldn't, I've done that twice! VXR220 and the 911, both purchased without driving either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 The 3.0 CSL was £6,400 to buy in 1972 (over 3 times the average salary back then) , that's around £100k in todays money so even at £50k it's gone down in value in real terms, plus the fact that it's probably had 10's of thousands spent on it. Not a great investment, when I paid £5,000 in 1973 for my first house which is now valued at £140k. The only way you can make money is if you figure out what is going to be a classic, get it delivered directly from the factory, stick it in an air conditioned garage and wait 30 or 40 years, better off investing in Bricks and Mortar or Art really IMO until there are very few of them left the 350Z is not going to be the same. Very likely but completely irrelevant to me as I'm already 65 years old . Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 (edited) Sorry man, was just trying to highlight why they are more expensive to start with, Id definitely get in one and see what you think EDIT: All valid points JetSet but we arent talking about buying new, are we? A Saph Cossie (that everyone knew they would become "classics") that was £5K 10 years ago can go for £35K now (I know, Ive just seen it happen) which puts your house into perspective Edited May 20, 2014 by docwra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Oh god we're talking about depreciation over fun, it's just like being on a Porsche forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Oh god we're talking about depreciation over fun, it's just like being on a Porsche forum I think we are actually talking about appreciation . Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 I test drove the Z4M coupe, was allowed it for a day, is a cracking car, still not 100% sure why I didn't buy one at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FooFighter Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Try one! I haven't owned a Z4M but I test drove one and came very close to buying it. The Z4M and the HR 350z I got instead tick a lot of the same boxes. They both have a great "rough round the edges" character about them. I love the HR engine in my Zed but the engine in the Z4M is epic. If I didn't need to use my car for long distances, I'd have got the Z4M. The downsides of the Z4M for me were: (1) odd-shaped boot which is even less practical than the Zed's boot (the battery in the Z4M is in the boot and takes up space compared with the standard Z4C) (2) the cockpit is smaller than in the Zed and (3) although the Z4M would have been much more expensive when new than the Zed, I felt it was a bit like a (very nice) parts bin special and not as well resolved overall as the Zed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybp Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 if he decided to buy a car without test driving it now that would be silly No it wouldn't, I've done that twice! VXR220 and the 911, both purchased without driving either. could i possibly interest you in buying some magic beans 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Sorry man, was just trying to highlight why they are more expensive to start with, Id definitely get in one and see what you think EDIT: All valid points JetSet but we arent talking about buying new, are we? A Saph Cossie (that everyone knew they would become "classics") that was £5K 10 years ago can go for £35K now (I know, Ive just seen it happen) which puts your house into perspective Yes, I sold my RS Turbo for £1,500 in 2001, I'd had it from new in 1989 and paid something like £9,000 for it. It was completely restored. there was a fair bit of rot and sold several years later and last time I looked it was still taxed and on the road. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 if he decided to buy a car without test driving it now that would be silly No it wouldn't, I've done that twice! VXR220 and the 911, both purchased without driving either. could i possibly interest you in buying some magic beans Sound great, I'll take ten packs! Free delivery, yeah? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybp Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 if he decided to buy a car without test driving it now that would be silly No it wouldn't, I've done that twice! VXR220 and the 911, both purchased without driving either. could i possibly interest you in buying some magic beans Sound great, I'll take ten packs! Free delivery, yeah? Yea no problem I can also do you a deal on baby unicorns if your interested 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
350zmadconnor Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 350z simple answer looks and mods you can do.win win situation Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted May 20, 2014 Share Posted May 20, 2014 Try one! I haven't owned a Z4M but I test drove one and came very close to buying it. I've never owned or driven a Z4M but followed one once . O.K, the full story is I bought a set of wheels, way back in 2011, from a guy who traded his 350Z in for a Z4M and had to follow him from our meeting point back to his house to get the wheels. Got talking to him and in general he was very pleased with it, the only thing that was bugging him was the amount of time it was off the road about 6 weeks in the 4 months he'd owned it. Electrical problems that proved difficult to fix, indeed it was due to go back again with another problem. The car had a dealer warranty so just annoying more than vast expense. I don't know that much about The Z4M, I'm guessing its a complex beast, but I do know that The 2.0 Z4 that Caroline had brand new had to go back to the main BMW dealer in Chester on 4 occasions for warranty fixes my Zed now 8 years old didn't need any warranty work and the only fault it has developed is the clicky axle. In fact in the 70's and 80's I owned no less than 3 Datsun Cherrys and my ex wife owned 2 of them, all brand new and not a single fault with any of them. Pete 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbitstew Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 To illustrate the point, forget BMW's and look at the price of old Ford's these days - not Mexico's or RS2000's but stuff like Saph Cossies, XR3Is and S2 RS Turbos. thees were always destined to become collectors cars regardless of how many were made, Hang on.... XR3i`s and RS Turbos collector cars? I remember when you could pick up an XR3i for about 250quid as noone wanted them, likewise Saph Cossies were about £2500 at one point. I guess the only reason why they might be classics now is that 99.9% of them all rusted and rotted away, and those left were thrashed within an inch of their lives by barry boys. The escort cossie and the rs500 style sierra cossie seemed to hold their value a bit more but then again I think they were a lot rarer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 Thats what Im getting at, they werent limited number or anything but are worth an arm and a leg now. If it was just down to the rest all rotting away then youd be paying the same money for a Nova SR or a Corolla GT, the Fords touched people in a way that other cars didnt and this is why they are getting ridiculous prices these days. Another good example is AE86 Corollas, Ive seen a page out of Autotrader where none were more than £1000, you cant get a clean one for less than £7K these days. There were loads, they were cheap but theres something else about them that makes them desirable nowadays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbitstew Posted May 23, 2014 Share Posted May 23, 2014 , the Fords touched people in a way that other cars didnt and this is why they are getting ridiculous prices these days. Im guessing their`s quite a few people who were touched in a Ford at one point or another..... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodyboarder81 Posted May 24, 2014 Author Share Posted May 24, 2014 ....... Done the right thing and bought another 350! One came up and looked at it today , test drove it and bought it! 08 plate , dark blue with silver/grey leather , 26k , fsh . As soon as I got in it I fell in love all over again ! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jp606 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Lovely. Get some pics up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Almeida1234 Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 Now start buying goodies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted May 24, 2014 Share Posted May 24, 2014 ....... Done the right thing and bought another 350! One came up and looked at it today , test drove it and bought it! 08 plate , dark blue with silver/grey leather , 26k , fsh . As soon as I got in it I fell in love all over again ! Great news and I'm sure you won't regret it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samsniss350z Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 350Z over Z4 every day of the week every day of the year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted May 25, 2014 Share Posted May 25, 2014 350Z over Z4 every day of the week every day of the year. Couldn't agree more with you on that. I think we should be friends. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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