Clarkson

[mouthwash]

 

I'm not sure how to feel about this, on one hand I don't really care because if someone is offended then fine, be offended, it's their right and their problem. On the other hand I feel I should probably care about it on a more collective level. All I know is that I've had a long day and can't be bothered to get into a debate

[StevoD]

 

I'm not sure how to feel about this, on one hand I don't really care because if someone is offended then fine, be offended, it's their right and their problem. On the other hand I feel I should probably care about it on a more collective level. All I know is that I've had a long day and can't be bothered to get into a debate

 

if i join will ya?

[mouthwash]

 

I'm not sure how to feel about this, on one hand I don't really care because if someone is offended then fine, be offended, it's their right and their problem. On the other hand I feel I should probably care about it on a more collective level. All I know is that I've had a long day and can't be bothered to get into a debate

 

if i join will ya?

 

At the end of my sentence I almost put 'Sorry Stevo' after the white flag man, I thought it would be a bit antagonistic of me.

[StevoD]

 

I'm not sure how to feel about this, on one hand I don't really care because if someone is offended then fine, be offended, it's their right and their problem. On the other hand I feel I should probably care about it on a more collective level. All I know is that I've

had a long day and can't be bothered to get into a debate

 

if i join will ya?

 

At the end of my sentence I almost put 'Sorry Stevo' after the white flag man, I thought it would be a bit antagonistic of me.

 

ooppps missed this off the end

[mouthwash]

 

I'm not sure how to feel about this, on one hand I don't really care because if someone is offended then fine, be offended, it's their right and their problem. On the other hand I feel I should probably care about it on a more collective level. All I know is that I've

had a long day and can't be bothered to get into a debate

 

if i join will ya?

 

At the end of my sentence I almost put 'Sorry Stevo' after the white flag man, I thought it would be a bit antagonistic of me.

 

ooppps missed this off the end

 

[chubbster]

Stuff

stuff II

 

Cheers Ekona. The following clip, taken from the CPS website, is quite interesting and to the point LINK HERE...

 

"Incitement to racial hatred

This offence is committed when the accused person says or does something which is threatening, abusive or insulting and, by doing so, either intends to stir up racial hatred, or makes it likely that racial hatred will be stirred up. This can include such things as making a speech, displaying a racist poster, publishing written material, performing a play or broadcasting something in the media.

 

One of the first things we have to prove for this offence is whether the behaviour is threatening, abusive or insulting. These words are given their normal meaning but the courts have ruled that behaviour can be annoying, rude or even offensive without necessarily being insulting.

 

We also have to consider whether the offender intended to stir up racial hatred or whether racial hatred was likely to result. Hatred is a very strong emotion. Stirring up racial tension, opposition, even hostility may not necessarily be enough to amount to an offence.

 

Sometimes it may be obvious that a person intends to cause racial hatred, for example, when a person makes a public speech condemning a group of people because of their race and deliberately encouraging others to turn against them and perhaps commit acts of violence. Usually, however, the evidence is not so clear-cut and we may have to rely upon people's actions in order to infer their intention.

 

If we are not able to prove that someone intended to stir up racial hatred, we have to show that, in all the circumstances, hatred was likely to be stirred up. 'Likely' does not mean that racial hatred was simply possible. We therefore have to examine the context of any behaviour very carefully, in particular the likely audience, as this will be highly relevant.

 

These offences appear in the Public Order Act 1986, which is generally designed to prevent acts of violence, disorder, harm or threats. Although it will often be present, the risk of commission of a criminal act of this nature is not essential to prove the commission of an offence of stirring up hatred on the grounds of race.

 

When people hate others because of race, such hatred may become manifest in the commission of crimes motivated by hate, or in abuse, discrimination or prejudice. Such reactions will vary from person to person, but all hatred has a detrimental effect on both individual victims and society, and this is a relevant factor to take into account when considering whether a prosecution is appropriate.

 

It is essential in a free, democratic and tolerant society that people are able robustly to exchange views, even when these may cause offence. However, we have to balance the rights of the individual to freedom of expression against the duty of the state to act proportionately in the interests of public safety, to prevent disorder and crime, and to protect the rights of others.

 

As these decisions involve questions of public policy, a specialist team of lawyers based at CPS Headquarters reviews the police file in all such cases and decides whether there is enough evidence. In addition, a case of incitement to racial hatred cannot be brought without the permission of the Attorney General, who is the senior Law Officer for the Crown.

 

The law only covers acts that are intended, or are likely to stir up, racial hatred. Whilst the definition of what constitutes "race" or "racial" is wide, it is clear that it does not cover "religious" hatred."

 

I haven't been selective, just copy/pasted the relevant bit. I reckon if I were a barrister I could have a pretty good crack at a conviction in this case. I don't think it will happen, but I'm waiting to see what pressure the BBC comes under in the next few days. They're already on the back foot and can't afford to be seen to be complacent, so this may have been Clarkson's last gaff.

[Ekona]

Ah, so it's actually covered by the Public Order Act, that makes a bit more sense then. Ta.

 

I still don't think you could prove both using insulting language and intent/likely to cause racial hatred. The first probably, the latter no chance. He definitely won't (and shouldn't IMHO) be sacked, I don't think there's enough pressure for that plus TG is too big a cash cow.

[Jetpilot]

Stuff

stuff II

 

We also have to consider whether the offender intended to stir up racial hatred or whether racial hatred was likely to result. Hatred is a very strong emotion. Stirring up racial tension, opposition, even hostility may not necessarily be enough to amount to an offence.

 

The law only covers acts that are intended, or are likely to stir up, racial hatred.

 

Except of course if you are a muslim hate preacher living in the UK, because apparently they have rights to stop deportation!

 

The muslims who burned poppies at the remembrance day parades, £50 fine from memory! What those dumb tw*ts dont realise is the soldiers who gave their life for this country are the very people who have kept this country from the biggest mentalist of all time!! And you think Clarkson needs the full extend of the law for a comment it seems he actively tried not to be aired due to his concern!

 

Good god man, open your eyes to what is actually racist!!!!!

[chubbster]

Ah, so it's actually covered by the Public Order Act, that makes a bit more sense then. Ta.

 

I still don't think you could prove both using insulting language and intent/likely to cause racial hatred. The first probably, the latter no chance. He definitely won't (and shouldn't IMHO) be sacked, I don't think there's enough pressure for that plus TG is too big a cash cow.

 

Sportsman's bet?

[sipar69]

I'm really quite bemused that anyone living in this country in this day and age doesn't realise that using that word is totally inappropriate, especially in a TV show seen by millions of people.

 

 

[WhackyWill]

I'm really quite bemused that anyone living in this country in this day and age doesn't realise that using that word is totally inappropriate, especially in a TV show seen by millions of people.

 

This clip was seen by about 5 people and one complained who wasn't even Black..

 

Then somebody sent it to the Mirror...

 

Read the link I posted.

[Ekona]

Sportsman's bet?

Yeah, go on then! Tell you what, let's make it interesting: £5 to a charity of your choice if he gets the boot over this in the next two weeks.

[WhackyWill]

Sportsman's bet?

Yeah, go on then! Tell you what, let's make it interesting: £5 to a charity of your choice if he gets the boot over this in the next two weeks.

 

Clarkson wont get SACKED..!!!

 

I'll will also put a £5 on that, and I think a few others on here should take

 

the bet as well, so some Charity will benefit.

[Chesterfield]

He is a victim of nothing other than his own old age and stupidity. He is not a racist imho. He's done nothing worse than any of the numerous Prince Phillip gaffs, but there doesnt seem to be a queue forming to put the queens hubby in leg irons.

 

Its yet another example of how over reactionist and overtly pc our society has become.

 

Have a watch of this. http://www.liveleak....se_old_player=0

[chubbster]

Sportsman's bet?

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Yeah, go on then! Tell you what, let's make it interesting: £5 to a charity of your choice if he gets the boot over this in the next two weeks.

 

The beeb wheels turn slowly. Make it 4 weeks, to let the outcry gain a head of steam and you're on.

 

 

 

Edit - should we both have a veto over the other's charity, just in case you don't want me to tell you to give it to something totally radical and vice versa?

Edited May 2, 2014 by chubbster

[chubbster]

He is a victim of nothing other than his own old age and stupidity.

 

Ageism

[WhackyWill]

Put your name here and the amount of the bet for Charity .

 

Ekona £5 - 00

WhackyWill £5- 00

[Chesterfield]

He is a victim of nothing other than his own old age and stupidity.

 

Ageism

 

I was talking to a client on the phone a few weeks ago, he was of the older generation when words like that were commonplace. When describing the last remaining issue to be resolved, he used the phrase "The only nigger in the woodpile".

 

I was quite shocked. He didn't know if I was black or not as we had never met in person. I didn't kick off and start petitioning the golf club for him to be sacked. I out it down to his generation and an innocent slip of concentration.

 

Why isn't Prince Phillip up on reciting racial hatred charges? Because people put it down to a gaff. Its a completely different matter than using the word in a deliberately offensive manner.

[rtbiscuit]

I think it was a few years back when labour was in power, that ministers were told to only send Xmas cards that contained the phrase seasonal greetings. So as not to offend minority groups.

 

For a long time I had been miss pronouncing a certain bird seed variety in the garden centre. Being dyslexic I hadn't picked up the difference of the double g.

 

With regards to the nursery rhyme I use it occasionally when I teach. I didn't however know the n word appeared in it. I was brought up using the word minnow in its place. Just asked my wife... a primary teacher. They use it, but again she thought the word was tiger.

 

But looking at it as an adult, it makes no sense, neither tigers or minnows have toes?

 

Am I an accidental racist?

 

Is it still racist to use the rhyme with a different word?

 

If you can't use the rhyme, even with modified lyrics, how else do you pick which biscuit to eat next?

[Stutopia]

If you can't use the rhyme, even with modified lyrics, how else do you pick which biscuit to eat next?

 

Ip dip dog sh**

You are not it.

 

Much more appropriate for teachers

[rtbiscuit]

Just came across this, thought chubster might like it:

 

Eeny meeny miny mo

Jeremy Clarkson’s got to go

It’s quite his thing, being far right wing

Do UKIP need more staff? Er, no!

 

[chubbster]

He is a victim of nothing other than his own old age and stupidity.

 

Ageism

 

I was talking to a client on the phone a few weeks ago, he was of the older generation when words like that were commonplace. When describing the last remaining issue to be resolved, he used the phrase "The only nigger in the woodpile".

 

I was quite shocked. He didn't know if I was black or not as we had never met in person. I didn't kick off and start petitioning the golf club for him to be sacked. I out it down to his generation and an innocent slip of concentration.

 

Why isn't Prince Phillip up on reciting racial hatred charges? Because people put it down to a gaff. Its a completely different matter than using the word in a deliberately offensive manner.

 

Fair comment in a general sense, but even Clarkson himself isn't using that defence, so you can't defend him in that way. Clarkson knows it was wrong and knew it was wrong at the time and still didn't try to stop himself from saying it and now he's wriggling like a worm on a hook.

 

 

Edit - thinking about it, he could actually be a giant maggot, couldn't he?

Edited May 2, 2014 by chubbster

[JetSet]

 

 

For a long time I had been miss pronouncing a certain bird seed variety in the garden centre. Being dyslexic I hadn't picked up the difference of the double g.

 

 

 

 

Yes, easily done.... but there are 2 other alternative spellings, Nyger and Nyjer and I've noticed that the place I buy it from is now labeling it up as Nyjer Seed.

 

 

Pete

[Chesterfield]

In my sons nursery, they all sing baa baa black sheep. Nobody minds. Why? Because the song is about a f**king sheep, that's why.

 

Its about time people stopped looking for racism where none exists. Reading Lenny Henry's comments about how minorities are under represented in the media. How? If a minority makes up 3% of the population, why would they represent any more than 3% of the people seen in the media?

 

Clarkson obviously knew the word was not politically correct, he mumbled the rhyme, and asked after hearing it back to go with another take. If he was that much of a brazen racist he wouldn't have bothered mumbling.

 

That would have been the version of the rhyme he grew up with, and so mumbled it.

 

Years from now when the PC brigade have had their way with baa baa black sheep, no doubt I, along with my son and hundreds of others will all be branded racist when we have to mumble the word "black" when we sing baa baa "whatever" sheep.

[WhackyWill]

Here is the Japanese for it

 

黒人。 Kokujin.