ddcboyle Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 (edited) Hey guys, I read on here a few months back about someone who trained military dogs but cant find the thread. But im sure theres others on here who are able to help So, my partner has two dogs, both are mixed breeds from rescue centres. One is a ginger fox looking dog[alfie- boy] (believed to be a mix between collie and a terrier) and the other is a white one [missy- female] (collie crossed whippet/lurcher). I'll start off with alfie. Hes a proper people dog, wouldn't harm any human, but has just two things that are beginning to become an issue. One is him going for other dogs (only males from what we can tell), most of the time its when he has a ball or toy in his mouth out on a walk, and we presumed it was down to protecting his toy and/or protecting missy. But, there are times he goes for dogs when he has no toy. The other issue is barking if you don't clap him or show him attention. I have tried to, when he goes for dogs, put him back on a harness and let missy run around without a lead and him on one, and carry him, and give him a little smack on the nose. None of which seem to work. Again, with the barking, i constantly tell him no when he barks, try to close his mouth as soon as he barks, but it doesnt really sit in. He is treated too much like a human and i think hes a bit too spoilt and is now used to it. Missy is sort of the opposite. She is a timid dog and is scared of 99% of life. She has no concern for other dogs, never barks at dogs, just wants to run around like a nutcase. However, she is definetly not a 100% peoples dog. Everytime my partners brother comes into the house, missy will bark at him. She barks at everyone who comes in but once she sees them, she calms down and doesnt bark. But with my partners brother, he will be clapping her and she will keep barking and growling at him. There has been times when she has went for the cleaners bum, partners brothers crotch etc. It's never been a proper bite, and were not sure if she just gets too hyper and thinks humans can play like dog. She gets told off for it, and that calms her down and she goes to her bed. The barking however, just wont go away, you can scream and shout at her, hold her mouth closed and it doesnt make a difference. I dont have an issue giving a little smack on the nose for things, but i dont want to go down this route as a way of teaching a dog. Most dogs a tap on the nose shows your boss, but missy is a very timid and scared dog. She was a stray, and we dont know anything about her past apart from that. So in conclusion, both cases are closely the same. Both bark when they shouldnt, and both get a bit aggressive towards dogs/humans. Alfie is intentianal towards dogs and missy, from what we can gather, the biting is supposed to be fun, but the barking is an issue. The house is constantly loud with both dogs barking 24/7 and hoping to train them to stop this. Thanks for any help Dean ALFIE MISSY Edited January 27, 2014 by ddcboyle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cragus Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 brown7758 is your man! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R35LEE Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 It was Will, he sold his zed so isn't on here anymore really Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Ah okay, ill leave it open for anyone who has experience in dog training or training their own pets for discussion. Open for any ideas. Dogs are roughly 3years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Nice looking pair of dogs. If I was training a dog I would always use treats as an incentive & to confirm any good behaviour (with voice at the same time; eg. Good boy). Not had the chance to really train a dog from a pup yet though but have worked with our family dog in this way. Works for the most part but because my Mum let our dog get away with murder as a pup he tends to play up sometimes (barking) & only obeys himself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Tried Cesar's approach? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Nice looking pair of dogs. If I was training a dog I would always use treats as an incentive & to confirm any good behaviour (with voice at the same time; eg. Good boy). Not had the chance to really train a dog from a pup yet though but have worked with our family dog in this way. Works for the most part but because my Mum let our dog get away with murder as a pup he tends to play up sometimes (barking) & only obeys himself. I've always trained my own dogs using the same approach, but thats to actually do something, i.e. sit, shake, lie down etc. I doubt i could use the same method of training to train them not to do something. Cant reward them for the barking situation, as they will just guess im giving them treats for barking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted January 27, 2014 Author Share Posted January 27, 2014 Tried Cesar's approach? Alfie's not really that barky. It's more every 3 in 10 dogs he will do it. He could walk past 50 dogs and not do anything, but then 1 just sets him off. Even though the other dog has done nothing different to the rest. And each time we walk past a dog, its a nervous wait to see if we need to grab him, apologise, give him a smack etc. Because its just random, not sure if hes forgetting hes been told off for it before. So its more just... is there a certain way we need to act when he does start to go/bark for a dog? As ive said, ive tried carrying him, putting back on tight lead, giving tap on the nose. Different each time so just curious which would be the best or, other alternatives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Nice looking pair of dogs. If I was training a dog I would always use treats as an incentive & to confirm any good behaviour (with voice at the same time; eg. Good boy). Not had the chance to really train a dog from a pup yet though but have worked with our family dog in this way. Works for the most part but because my Mum let our dog get away with murder as a pup he tends to play up sometimes (barking) & only obeys himself. I've always trained my own dogs using the same approach, but thats to actually do something, i.e. sit, shake, lie down etc. I doubt i could use the same method of training to train them not to do something. Cant reward them for the barking situation, as they will just guess im giving them treats for barking? Me too but can't you try to use this technique to train them not to bark?.E.g: Tell them not to bark and when they stop you say "good boy" and give them a treat. Not had a real chance to try this myself yet though obviously. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilp Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Rule number 1 of training a dog. Never hit them on the nose. It ruins the glands they use for smell. A dog feeds energy from its human. The dog needs direction. To train a dog is a very easy thing once you find something they respond to. If its barking then wait till it stops and then reward etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Never hit a dog anywhere! I have raised from puppies 5 dogs, Bruno is the 6th. Had him since he was a little puppy just 5 weeks old and now he's nearly 5 and about 75kg more Always loved Cesar's techniques and they always worked well with Bruno.Well, most of them I was applying them sort of naturally since I was a teenager Some of you met Bruno already and know how docile and calm he is for such a big boy. Always listens and behaves, never barks or attacks other dogs or humans, in fact he's good as gold with children. I'm sure if you watch few of his videos you'll get lots of tips and tricks that will help along the way. Good luck! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilp Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Never hit a dog anywhere! I have raised from puppies 5 dogs, Bruno is the 6th. Had him since he was a little puppy just 5 weeks old and now he's nearly 5 and about 75kg more Always loved Cesar's techniques and they always worked well with Bruno.Well, most of them I was applying them sort of naturally since I was a teenager Some of you met Bruno already and know how docile and calm he is for such a big boy. Always listens and behaves, never barks or attacks other dogs or humans, in fact he's good as gold with children. I'm sure if you watch few of his videos you'll get lots of tips and tricks that will help along the way. Good luck! Such a stunning dog! My buddy has a pit bull and a staffie and both are very very well behaved and do exactly as they are told. Some people just aren't cut out to train dogs unfortunately. I totally agree about not hitting a dog also! I should have made my statement clearer in my first post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiuchi-Gary Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Cesar's approach works if you believe you are the boss. I have used his approach on other peoples dogs, big & small & always had great results in a short space of time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 You're right, I'd only add that you have to KNOW that you're the boss, not to believe only, if you know what I mean. You are the pack leader. The closest animal you can compare the dog with is the wolf. Wolves live in packs, they have pack leaders. The are so close to the dogs that they can even interbreed, so there's no doubt about that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerzed Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 I have two male hungarian vizslas one 3 the other 4 who kept fighting. I've had dogs for 35 years with no problems. I got in a dog behaviour specialist who sorted it in one visit. He was ex police. He said the same as others on here no hitting or raising your voice. Calm leadership the dogs need to find their place in the pack. Isolation for bad behaviour such as barking. Shouting encourages the dogs as they think you are joining in. Nipping is associated with domination and should be dealt with by isolating the dog if it's persistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HARMLU Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 75kg!? That's heavier than me!! Holy moley that's a big dog! Great looking dog though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meeerrrk Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Jesus that dog is TONK Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 Wtf is TONK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted January 27, 2014 Share Posted January 27, 2014 WTF is wtf? Urban shyte Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted January 28, 2014 Share Posted January 28, 2014 Never hit a dog anywhere! I have raised from puppies 5 dogs, Bruno is the 6th. Had him since he was a little puppy just 5 weeks old and now he's nearly 5 and about 75kg more Always loved Cesar's techniques and they always worked well with Bruno.Well, most of them I was applying them sort of naturally since I was a teenager Some of you met Bruno already and know how docile and calm he is for such a big boy. Always listens and behaves, never barks or attacks other dogs or humans, in fact he's good as gold with children. I'm sure if you watch few of his videos you'll get lots of tips and tricks that will help along the way. Good luck! Such a stunning dog! My buddy has a pit bull and a staffie and both are very very well behaved and do exactly as they are told. Some people just aren't cut out to train dogs unfortunately. I totally agree about not hitting a dog also! I should have made my statement clearer in my first post. Too right. Never hit any animal, especially as the dogs may already have had a difficult time if they are from a rescue centre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted January 29, 2014 Author Share Posted January 29, 2014 It seems theres a full response on tapping the nose doesn't work, neither does shouting no as they think im joining in. I'll try the isolation and waiting until they stop barking before i give a treat, see how that goes. Only issue is, their not my dogs, the partner agrees with what im trying to do, but her parents (who live in the same house) get annoyed with the barking but never actually try to stop it, they just give in to the barking straight away. When he barks for attention, ive ignored him until he stops, done that today and eventually he did give up barking, but as soon as i clapped him for a few minutes, he then barked again when i stopped. So i can see it being a long process, but i'll keep at it Didnt realise about the nose thing though, everytime i've ever heard about training dog, it revolves around treats and a little tap on the nose. But, it seems ive probably remembered these things from my childhood when i was probably around people who didnt know much about dogs, so no more nose tapping or tapping anywhere and ill try the above cheers guys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tigerzed Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 It seems theres a full response on tapping the nose doesn't work, neither does shouting no as they think im joining in. I'll try the isolation and waiting until they stop barking before i give a treat, see how that goes. Only issue is, their not my dogs, the partner agrees with what im trying to do, but her parents (who live in the same house) get annoyed with the barking but never actually try to stop it, they just give in to the barking straight away. When he barks for attention, ive ignored him until he stops, done that today and eventually he did give up barking, but as soon as i clapped him for a few minutes, he then barked again when i stopped. So i can see it being a long process, but i'll keep at it Didnt realise about the nose thing though, everytime i've ever heard about training dog, it revolves around treats and a little tap on the nose. But, it seems ive probably remembered these things from my childhood when i was probably around people who didnt know much about dogs, so no more nose tapping or tapping anywhere and ill try the above cheers guys Everytime her parents get annoyed ...... give them a tap on the nose ...... they'll soon learn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Humpy Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 WTF is wtf? Urban shyte Actually had to google that word as I didnt have a freaking clue either.... I must be getting old at the ripe age of 33 Tonk - ghetto for strong or muscular adopted from them tonka trucks back in the days (unbreakable). dont mess with him he is tonk.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted January 29, 2014 Share Posted January 29, 2014 It seems theres a full response on tapping the nose doesn't work, neither does shouting no as they think im joining in. I'll try the isolation and waiting until they stop barking before i give a treat, see how that goes. Only issue is, their not my dogs, the partner agrees with what im trying to do, but her parents (who live in the same house) get annoyed with the barking but never actually try to stop it, they just give in to the barking straight away. When he barks for attention, ive ignored him until he stops, done that today and eventually he did give up barking, but as soon as i clapped him for a few minutes, he then barked again when i stopped. So i can see it being a long process, but i'll keep at it Didnt realise about the nose thing though, everytime i've ever heard about training dog, it revolves around treats and a little tap on the nose. But, it seems ive probably remembered these things from my childhood when i was probably around people who didnt know much about dogs, so no more nose tapping or tapping anywhere and ill try the above cheers guys Good for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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