daz-zn Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 (edited) As the title says aftermarket headers whats your take on them? Who has them, are you happy with them, do you get any decent gain from one? Ive spoken to a few people and some say the standard headers are plenty good enough, but also seen there are a lot of aftermarket ones for sale across the pond Im looking at getting a exhaust and wondering what the pros and cons are with getting them Thanks Daz Edited October 8, 2013 by daz-zn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Ive got my Dc sports ceramic coated ones going on in a few weeks, the stock isnt great on the DE but the HR has equal length as standard. There's definitely good gains to be had on the DE. Dont get cheap ones like japspeed or megan. Brands id look at would be DC Sports, stillen, nismo if you have lots of money or if I hadn't got my dc's for a good deal id have got Tomei ones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 Ive got my Dc sports ceramic coated ones going on in a few weeks, the stock isnt great on the DE but the HR has equal length as standard. There's definitely good gains to be had on the DE. Dont get cheap ones like japspeed or megan. Brands id look at would be DC Sports, stillen, nismo if you have lots of money or if I hadn't got my dc's for a good deal id have got Tomei ones. Japspeed ones are a copy of dc's. The insides are a little rougher but and they are usually stainless rather than cermac. I'd agree to get dc ones minimum but if you was fitting them yourself i'd go with the copies personally. Doesn't make the exhaust sound different though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daz-zn Posted October 8, 2013 Author Share Posted October 8, 2013 I have a 2004, thats the DE engine is that right? Those DC sports ones look the business just been looking them up I will be Trying to fit these myself, have heard they can be a real pain in the ass to get off and on... Dont mind going for the copys if there is a little gain to be had and rather spend my money on a decent exhaust... Sounds like its worth the effort of putting aftermarket ones on, be it the top money brands or the cheapies Thanks for the quick answers Arron & Dblock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 General rule of thumb is yes there are good gains but the cost of fitting out weighs the gains. Your looking at around a 12 hour job for fitting and that's if you know your way round the car engine bay. If doing yourself there are definitely savings to be made and gains to be had. If a garages is doing it, and they charge around £30 an hour your looking at a £400 fitting bill, excluding the purchase. Taking that into account and the work required to fit, I wouldn't be putting cheap crap in, because if a weld fails or a pipe cracks, I don't want to be having to go back and do it all again to fix it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted October 8, 2013 Share Posted October 8, 2013 General rule of thumb is yes there are good gains but the cost of fitting out weighs the gains. Your looking at around a 12 hour job for fitting and that's if you know your way round the car engine bay. If doing yourself there are definitely savings to be made and gains to be had. If a garages is doing it, and they charge around £30 an hour your looking at a £400 fitting bill, excluding the purchase. Taking that into account and the work required to fit, I wouldn't be putting cheap crap in, because if a weld fails or a pipe cracks, I don't want to be having to go back and do it all again to fix it. Also true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Japspeed are copies of dc sports but I bet the quality is no way near, dc sports and stillen are the most sensibly priced but great quality do it once do it properly imo it's not a nice job but well worth it if the opportunity arises Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Engine out job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Much much easier with it out which is what il be doing at the same time as my clutch and lightweight flywheel and oil cooler 3 hours for engine out roughly so saves alot of time over doing it in situ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 i believe it can be done in situe, but you'll lose most of the skin off the back of your hands, and you'll end up swearing more than a Tourette's kid at a slip knot concert. far easier with the engine out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Can be done in situ but it takes a good 10-12 hours Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceejay29 Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 I have been considering the DC Sports headers for the DE, possibly a silly question, but what' is the difference between the ceramic and SS? Apart from cost is it just aesthetics? Also is it beneficial to wrap them in order to minimise heat levels within the engine bay? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 General rule of thumb is yes there are good gains but the cost of fitting out weighs the gains. Your looking at around a 12 hour job for fitting and that's if you know your way round the car engine bay. If doing yourself there are definitely savings to be made and gains to be had. If a garages is doing it, and they charge around £30 an hour your looking at a £400 fitting bill, excluding the purchase. Taking that into account and the work required to fit, I wouldn't be putting cheap crap in, because if a weld fails or a pipe cracks, I don't want to be having to go back and do it all again to fix it. £30 an hour? Are we travelling back in time to fit them Sent from the Jaaaaaag at the golf club YAAAARRRRRRRPPPPPPPPPP 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsexr Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 Most labour rates today are £100 per hour plus in the sunny sarthhhhhhhhhhhhhh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4RE Leather Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 General rule of thumb is yes there are good gains but the cost of fitting out weighs the gains. Your looking at around a 12 hour job for fitting and that's if you know your way round the car engine bay. If doing yourself there are definitely savings to be made and gains to be had. If a garages is doing it, and they charge around £30 an hour your looking at a £400 fitting bill, excluding the purchase. Taking that into account and the work required to fit, I wouldn't be putting cheap crap in, because if a weld fails or a pipe cracks, I don't want to be having to go back and do it all again to fix it. £30 an hour! I live in the wrong place!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted October 18, 2013 Share Posted October 18, 2013 General rule of thumb is yes there are good gains but the cost of fitting out weighs the gains. Your looking at around a 12 hour job for fitting and that's if you know your way round the car engine bay. If doing yourself there are definitely savings to be made and gains to be had. If a garages is doing it, and they charge around £30 an hour your looking at a £400 fitting bill, excluding the purchase. Taking that into account and the work required to fit, I wouldn't be putting cheap crap in, because if a weld fails or a pipe cracks, I don't want to be having to go back and do it all again to fix it. £30 an hour! I live in the wrong place!! Jag dealership near me is £135 an hour labour. The guys I use build race cars as well. Not just maintain customers cars. No reason why you can't come use my mechanics. Lucky me I suppose. There body shop is also the bmw dealership repair garage. Top notch work at sensible prices. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Our hourly rate is £175, there is worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suits Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 Our hourly rate is £175, there is worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4RE Leather Posted October 19, 2013 Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) Our hourly rate is £175, there is worse Stealership!!! Edited October 19, 2013 by 4RE Leather Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted October 20, 2013 Share Posted October 20, 2013 I have been considering the DC Sports headers for the DE, possibly a silly question, but what' is the difference between the ceramic and SS? Apart from cost is it just aesthetics? Also is it beneficial to wrap them in order to minimise heat levels within the engine bay? I went for Ceramic as to me it seemed the better coating plus SS was mega bucks. I heard you shouldn't wrap them as it can cause cracking and the ceramic is good enough. Do some research but I don't think wrapping it would be that bad but it might not help either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arran Posted October 21, 2013 Share Posted October 21, 2013 I took the wrap off my ceramic coated DC's, the coat is more than good enough plus it can crack if it gets too hot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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