Dblock Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 I hope not! That means is have to work to keep the zed on the road? I'd probably just sell it if I have to work for it. Of just wait till the rules change again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPod Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Was on jobseekers for 6months and the people in the place where the most un helpfull people I have ever met. Pure idiots. Told them I was applying to get a trainee job up at Aberdeen as radiographer and they just laughed in my face near enough. Next week got the job and the look on there faces priceless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Was on jobseekers for 6months and the people in the place where the most un helpfull people I have ever met. Pure idiots. Told them I was applying to get a trainee job up at Aberdeen as radiographer and they just laughed in my face near enough. Next week got the job and the look on there faces priceless. I'd rather be unemployed then go aberdeen. They are slightly odd up there, no actually they are just really weird up there. Not our members just the public. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PPod Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 You are 100% correct about people in Aberdeen soooooo weird. I think the the radiation does this I am starting to go crazy like them. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drayvn Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I have a married couple as really good mates of mine, they both work and they have had a child together. But supposedly as they are both in full time jobs (not well paid) they don't deserve benefits. I help where ever i can for them, lifts, food, babysitting, anything. They just get by on their pay to have rent a flat and look after their child, everything goes on the child. But if 1 of them would come out of work they wouldn't be allowed benefits as they chose to do that, and even if they did the benefits would be worse than what they would have been paid at work! But a mother of 6 kids who live on this island is allowed benefits totalling in the couple of thousands and a free house, she doesn't work as supposedly looking after her children is a full time job... except shes able to pay a nanny to look after her kids and shes free to do whatever she wants, of course nothing gets done about this. This is on an island of around 65000 people, you'd think it could be missed, ohhhh but it does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4RE Leather Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 If the Government is so adamant that the benefits is the answer to £300 million savings that we desperately need. How come they just threw another £100 million away in overseas aid? I swear to God if they found life on Mars, Cameronwould give them financial aid. If we can't aford to manage our own Country, why do we keep giving money to other's who will never pay it back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 If the Government is so adamant that the benefits is the answer to £300 million savings that we desperately need. How come they just threw another £100 million away in overseas aid? I swear to God if they found life on Mars, Cameronwould give them financial aid. If we can't aford to manage our own Country, why do we keep giving money to other's who will never pay it back! Simply because to withdraw foreign aid would look to the world like we won't help people who really need help. We'd much rather paint people in the UK, who need just as much help as anyone who we send foreign aid to, as dodging, lazy, faking, idle, stupid and worthless. Then it seems like we're on a righteous crusade, not simply f***ing over vulnerable people, when Mondeo Man reads about it in the tabloid media. By "we" I mean uk government of any party political leaning. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 No, because foreign aid comes back to us 10 fold when the countries get back on their feet again - for example, look at the Indian automotive industry and what its doing for us right now. Its investment, and as with any investor you expect to see a return at some point be that better political relations, better opportunities for UK companies to work overseas or simply development that we can benefit from in the future, not to mention the humanitarian aspect. Once again its the curse of the Daily Mail headline, no-one looks past the words "foreign aid" to actually see where the money is going because the Mail says they dont have to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 This is very true, but that reality of it is extremely far from the perception of it. As discusses previously the actual sums lost to fraud and the likes are tiny in comparison to UK budget at large. If news stories were only allowed to occupy column inches and tv exposure directly in proportion to their impact on the UK as a whole, we'd find ourselves presented with a very different news agenda. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Docs got it bang-on. We might give £100M away to a country in aid, but then they grease the wheels with their big companies who then make sure we get £1000M worth of contracts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vik54 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I had a good job up until 2008 when the recession hit, and I ended up on the dole. I don't know what was the worse experience. Living on £60 a week, feeling utterly useless and patronised by the job centres. In my working life up until 2008, I had contributed an above average amount to the coffers via tax and NI, and had went the previous 6yrs in work.... I didn't want treated like a child because I hadn't filled out my job log, or hadn't been that arsed buying papers that had no jobs in them I had any realistic chance of getting. or One of the few minimum wage jobs I took on. Where you feel utterly worthless, and at the end of it still don't have a pot to **** in. Made to feel low by supervisors, who tended to be unskilled little Hitlers, who were too stupid to realise they were also **** all and had been given a bit of power by brown nosing somebody important. Looked down on by the general public.... and embarrassed to be seen doing a @*!# job by people you know. Yeah 2008-2010... not good years. Both scenarios destroyed the self esteem. As for the Tory policy. Sounds great in theory, in practice it will be the genuine ones who suffer as the dodgers get round it (and be allowed to). Interesting the very few on here that actually have any first hand experience of claiming benefits - yet feel the right to comment I've just spent the last twenty weeks in the same boat as you - claiming contributions based JSA (the only benefit I could qualify for as my partner works). Last week I actually undertook a telephone interview for an agency recruiting for Xmas call centre workers for Tesco - the role would be £6.50 an hour. I have also had to apply for retail jobs - even though both myself and my 'adviser' know fine damn well I won't even get an interview. All the while I have been churning out applications for jobs in the line of work I am qualified and experienced in - whilst justifying why I won't be applying for a part time posts over an hours' drive away. Thankfully last Friday I pulled it out the bag at my sixth professional interview since April and was offered a post albeit at two job grades below my last one but its a permanent post - which in my line of work in Local Authority is like gold dust! It is just as well as my 26 weeks of contributions JSA was about to end and after the 18th October I would not have been able to claim ANYTHING. Not a frickin sausage! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4RE Leather Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I had a good job up until 2008 when the recession hit, and I ended up on the dole. I don't know what was the worse experience. Living on £60 a week, feeling utterly useless and patronised by the job centres. In my working life up until 2008, I had contributed an above average amount to the coffers via tax and NI, and had went the previous 6yrs in work.... I didn't want treated like a child because I hadn't filled out my job log, or hadn't been that arsed buying papers that had no jobs in them I had any realistic chance of getting. or One of the few minimum wage jobs I took on. Where you feel utterly worthless, and at the end of it still don't have a pot to **** in. Made to feel low by supervisors, who tended to be unskilled little Hitlers, who were too stupid to realise they were also **** all and had been given a bit of power by brown nosing somebody important. Looked down on by the general public.... and embarrassed to be seen doing a @*!# job by people you know. Yeah 2008-2010... not good years. Both scenarios destroyed the self esteem. As for the Tory policy. Sounds great in theory, in practice it will be the genuine ones who suffer as the dodgers get round it (and be allowed to). Interesting the very few on here that actually have any first hand experience of claiming benefits - yet feel the right to comment I've just spent the last twenty weeks in the same boat as you - claiming contributions based JSA (the only benefit I could qualify for as my partner works). Last week I actually undertook a telephone interview for an agency recruiting for Xmas call centre workers for Tesco - the role would be £6.50 an hour. I have also had to apply for retail jobs - even though both myself and my 'adviser' know fine damn well I won't even get an interview. All the while I have been churning out applications for jobs in the line of work I am qualified and experienced in - whilst justifying why I won't be applying for a part time posts over an hours' drive away. Thankfully last Friday I pulled it out the bag at my sixth professional interview since April and was offered a post albeit at two job grades below my last one but its a permanent post - which in my line of work in Local Authority is like gold dust! It is just as well as my 26 weeks of contributions JSA was about to end and after the 18th October I would not have been able to claim ANYTHING. Not a frickin sausage! It's exactly the same as the last post a few weeks ago. The majority of the arguments were put forward by people who don't have to claim or who never had. Hope it all works out for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aiuchi-Gary Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I get what you're saying but I bet a high % those terminally unemployable are committing crime anyway to feed their sky subscription and smoking habits.... Btw I'm not tarring everyone with the same brush here but those that manipulate the system to stay out of work will have their fingers in many pies. Those that really need help from the state seem to struggle as they don't know the system like the low life Agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 i have a right to comment as A. I pay my taxes, and B I vote. as far as i'm concerned i'm allowed an opinion on anything political as I have both financially invested and morally invested in the decisions that are being made on my behalf by the powers that be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vik54 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 i have a right to comment as A. I pay my taxes, and B I vote. as far as i'm concerned i'm allowed an opinion on anything political as I have both financially invested and morally invested in the decisions that are being made on my behalf by the powers that be. Can't disagree with you there Rich - what fecks me off is more the folk who have zero understanding of how the system works yet still propelling this ideal of deserving and undeserving claimants. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesterfield Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 At the risk of fuelling the Daily Mail fire, maybe we should have a contributions based system in order to help those who clearly know how to (and want to) get on in life. Like Vik, is a deserving claimant, held down a job, finds herself out of work and is looking to get back into it. Somebody who hasnt contributed a jot their whole life may be accused of not wanting to contribute - so why are both these people lumped in the same boat? Why are we bothering to send people on training courses where the tutors have to put up with the terminally unemployable wasting their time, when people who want to get on are just frustrated that they aren't being given the right help. We all know there are wasters, we all know there are those that dont want a job, they never will, and they never will have prospects of getting one, or the motivation to even get themselves the prospect of getting a job. Lets not be namby pamby about it - just cut them loose, may as well just pay them benefits for the rest of their life rather than pay them benefits AND pay for courses and staff to try and "help" them. Spend our time and effort helping those that deserve it, like the above. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Bingo. Line up the firing squads for the wasters, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Oh, and congrats Vik, good to hear you've got something sorted even if it's not ideal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 The fact this has dragged on for 5 pages basically says it all. Media sensation that fundamentally alters a nations (or the vast majority of it's) opinions on a subject because of a lack of understanding. 90% of the posts in this thread are bugger all to do with getting the long term JSA claimants out doing some work! Its such a none problem it's untrue! I bet the actual cost to the country in a year for this specific demographic of 'terminally unemployed' is about £100 mil which lets face it.........is feck all in this day and age. Specifically to this particular topic, benefit and proposal I'm catagorically telling you now there are not mythical hordes of scrotes sat on £71 a week for over 2 years laughing their tits off about how they've 'played the system'. Its pure and simple not happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 case rested http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2441291/Arrogance-jobless-Kent-mother-27k-year-benefits-believes-working-mugs-game.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I've always said it should be a system that the more you pay in the more you can take out. So if you paid in for 15 years and then your job goes tits up, the system is there to help you get back on your feet. If you are the opposite and paid not a lot in, then you get the bare minimum out. The only exception to the rule are the sick and poorly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK350Z Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 I don't really know much about the system, but the couple of times I've been out of work and eligible for JSA, the whole jobcenter thing was more hassle than it's worth for £60 a week. They weren't really set up to deal with someone with a trade and degree, so the job database was no use. I last got made redundant in 2007, and after my initial meeting at the dole office, I just ended up sacking it off and labouring for my mates scaffolding company for a few days a week for minimum wage. It was really good craic actually! It's better for your self esteem, and I could do my own job hunting on my days off. I agree that in order to have the "real" benefits lifestyle or whatever, you actually need to be on sickness benefit or similar. In a lot of cases the "sickness" is self inflicted. I used to go out with a girl who was from a council estate up here. Her mum was on DLA (i think) due to her alcoholism, her father was registered carer and so received carers allowance in lieu of work. Due to the booze, the daughter was born with mild cerebral palsy (Had a bit of trouble walking, but much improved thanks to he good old NHS). Two other daughters had children at a young age and qualified for their own council houses, one had a partner who worked, but basically lived in the council house on the quiet. Now, my ex's family had two cars via the two lots of DLA coming in, sky tv and and a LCD telly that paid for weekly for god knows how long. Outwardly it might have looked quite excessive from your Mail mans point of view, but the reality was considerably less rosy, and they certainly weren't living it up. A lot of it could have been sorted early on by giving the mother the support she needed, but I don't think that support was around in the 80s. It was all very sad. I'm not even sure I've furthered this debate, but these are just my experiences of it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 (edited) Bingo. Line up the firing squads for the wasters, too. Why? I get everything paid for and I don't have to go work? If I got a job i'd have to pay for the zed myself. Edited October 2, 2013 by Dblock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vik54 Posted October 2, 2013 Share Posted October 2, 2013 Andy - don't even get me started on Universal Jobmatch!!! FFS Total mare - I have emailed DWP asking them why when my skills and search criteria included parameters such as Youth & Community work, Social Care, an Honours degree in Politics and Education and Postgrad in Community Education my 'job matches' include such jems as 'Chief Naval Architect' 'Lecturing fellow in Sports Science' and 'Specialist Indian Chef' = and ech week I have to spend time logging in and justifying to the eejits why I won't be applying for them 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted October 3, 2013 Share Posted October 3, 2013 There's nothing wrong with people expressing opinions about things they don't have direct personal experience of. It would be an odd world if we could only talk about issues we had direct experience of. Just think how many of you would have to stop discussing how good/bad Premiership footballers are unless you'd played professionally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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