Unemployed must work for their dole

[coldel]

Hmmmm. unworkable, too draconian, won't really make a dent for the £300m they are looking to spend on it. Its just another headliner to garner support from the majority employed.

[Arran]

Conscription.

[peteman35]

I think the whole point of making them work for their benefits is to make them actually find a job that pays minimum wage or more. If you're doing a 30 hour week and earning £76 a week or what ever it is, you are going to want to find a job.

 

I know of loads of people that are just dossing around on job seakers and make no effort on interviews to get the job. Their are jobs everywhere but people just don't want them.

[Ricey]

Hmmmm. unworkable, too draconian, won't really make a dent for the £300m they are looking to spend on it. Its just another headliner to garner support from the majority employed.

 

300 million!

 

FFS!

[Flex]

It's not just £76 per week though is it, it's all the other benefit's too.

[Chesterfield]

The ammount of unworkable, ill thought through announcements coming out of the party conferences is just ming boggling. There must be an awful lot of members of our society without the brains to think past the headlines is all I can say.

 

Just like the "we will freeze energy prices" by Milliband. That made me spit my tea out. Given we import more than 50% of our gas from countries like Russia, Qatar and soon the US - how exactly does he intend to fix retail prices in an industry where wholesale prices are affected by global events and can jump by 20% overnight. It would be like telling Tesco they can only sell milk for £1 a pint, regardless of the fact they dont own the daries to produce it. Unworkable and could lead them to pull milk from the shelves if it risks making a loss. If people think the stories about blackouts are just "scare" tactics from energy suppliers that are trying to protect profits. Give it a whirl and see what happens. I also find it highly ironic that Labour spout about the cost of living crisis and the spiraling cost of fuel bills, when it was their last givernment that introduced several taxes and shcemes into the energy market that now account for about half of a persons bill. Its laughable.

 

As for the tories shaving a few pence off the top rate of tax and being the party that "gives tax cuts to millionaires" - I offer up a simple way of testing this. Though rarely will anyone who takes that view bother to undertake it.

 

Go to www.listentotaxman.com - enter a lowish salary like £15,000 per year. set the tax year to this year. Write down the take home figure. Then set the tax year to say 2007 in the middle of the last government and run the figures again. Then try the same with a £500,000 a year salary. Under which government is the "millionaire" taking home less, and the low earner taking home more?...

[cs2000]

There has been and always will be an unemployable percent of society who refuse to engage, keeping them out of everyone's way on the bare minimum of cost is as good as you can hope for. Dole is cheaper to us all than prison and associated costs of going in and coming out.

I can think of ways to ease the problem for scum bags such as this.

 

 

FYI, its a bolt gun they use to put down horses. Il volunteer for the job of cleansing the gene pool. Fair enough if your out of work and are looking, it took me 3 months to find a job like this once and I was looking daily, but if you're on job seekers for 3 years, its quick cut and dry that you aren't "seeking" and therefore, please refer to the image above.

Edited September 30, 2013 by cs2000

[Ricey]

It's not just £76 per week though is it, it's all the other benefit's too.

 

Boggo JSA claimant assuming they are not able to home themselves elsewhise will get;

JSA - £71.80 per week (£56.80 if under 25)

Council tax benefit (which is a bit of a misleading statement..........just means they don't pay it).

Housing benefit - IRO £256 per month (enough to rent a room in a house or pay for a hostle).

 

Can you honestly say that your 'average' person claiming JSA is living the life of Reilly on what amounts to £286 per month? That covers your utility bills, water rates, phone (if you can afford one), transport, food, fags, alcohol, drugs ETCETC

 

I'm not saying that there aren't people who abuse the system but seriously JSA cannot be seriously viewed as a preferrable lifestyle that people will chose over working!

 

 

People are getting wound up about the wrong demographic - its the family who are all on ESA or disability because the parents have abused their body until they are unable to move and their 12 kids all have asthema or ADHD who get the carers allowance, masses of housing benefit because of the numbers in the household, council tax exemption........and on and on and on. Even smack rats are probably classed as diabled because they're addicts.

 

You absolutely, catagorically CANNOT live a comfortable lifestyle on JSA unless someone else is propping you up (i.e a kid who lives with mam/dad and uses his JSA for a bit of a tear up each weekend).

[4RE Leather]

If any of you can cure Chronic Cluster Headaches, Chronic pain syndrome, Reiter's Syndrome and Sever Ankylosing Spondilitis I will gladly go out and go back to work.

I would swap the endless days being housebound when my joints swell up and I vomit with pain for just 1 day of normality.

Take Yesterday for instance :

The usual gang and I drove to The Pod for the day.

I got sick and was taking anti vomit pills and Morphine to such an extent I would have been dangerous to drive back.

So I asked my passenger.

Yep I would swap a few weeks with any of you lucky able people provided you have my income and I have yours.

After the last one sided debate we had when one member dug a hole so deep for himself he ended up leaving .

I would have thought that lumping everyone under the same heading as "Scum" which one member called us, may be an insult.

Arran said conscription. I am all for that.

But what happens to them if they become injured and are medically discharged, and unable to work full time due to injuries sustained?

I know, lets lump them under the banner "SCUM" !

Edited September 30, 2013 by 4RE Leather

[Chesterfield]

I don't think there was any discussion of sending folk on incapacity off to the workhouses.

[Ricey]

If any of you can cure Chronic Cluster Headaches, Chronic pain syndrome, Reiter's Syndrome and Sever Ankylosing Spondilitis I will gladly go outa nd go back to work.

I would swap the endless days being housebound when my joints swell up and I vomit with pain for just 1 day of normality.

Take Yesterday for instance :

The usual gang and I drove to The Pod for the day.

I got sick and was taking anti vomit pills and Morphine to such an extent I would have been dangerous to drive back.

So I asked my passenger.

Yep I would swap a few weeks with any of you lucky able people provided you have my income and I have yours.

After the last one sided debate we had when one member dug a hole so deep for himself he ended up leaving .

I would have thought that lumping everyone under the same heading as "Scum" which one member called us, may be an insult.

Arran said conscription. I am all for that.

But what happens to them if they become injured and are medically discharged, and unable to work full time due to injuries sustained?

I know, lets lump them under the banner "SCUM" !

 

Agree with your argument Pete but I guess you don't claim JSA. You'll be on incap benefit or ESA I should imagine?

 

Thats what I'm on about - people get their knickers in a twist about people who are claiming JSA but they're actually talking about people (usually large families from poor socio-economic backgrounds - if we're getting the tar brush out) who take advantage of the system by claiming multiple lucrative benefits for either situations they've created for themselves or have near enough been born into.

 

JSA is a pittance - its not enough to live off never mind have a jolly on.............not that I've ever claimed it but I've seen those that have first hand.

[4RE Leather]

I don't think there was any discussion of sending folk on incapacity off to the workhouses.

 

Ha ha but I am unemployed.

I stuck that in, in a light hearted way to stop and make peeps think.

And whats wrong with the workhouse?

Edited September 30, 2013 by 4RE Leather

[4RE Leather]

If any of you can cure Chronic Cluster Headaches, Chronic pain syndrome, Reiter's Syndrome and Sever Ankylosing Spondilitis I will gladly go outa nd go back to work.

I would swap the endless days being housebound when my joints swell up and I vomit with pain for just 1 day of normality.

Take Yesterday for instance :

The usual gang and I drove to The Pod for the day.

I got sick and was taking anti vomit pills and Morphine to such an extent I would have been dangerous to drive back.

So I asked my passenger.

Yep I would swap a few weeks with any of you lucky able people provided you have my income and I have yours.

After the last one sided debate we had when one member dug a hole so deep for himself he ended up leaving .

I would have thought that lumping everyone under the same heading as "Scum" which one member called us, may be an insult.

Arran said conscription. I am all for that.

But what happens to them if they become injured and are medically discharged, and unable to work full time due to injuries sustained?

I know, lets lump them under the banner "SCUM" !

 

Agree with your argument Pete but I guess you don't claim JSA. You'll be on incap benefit or ESA I should imagine?

 

Thats what I'm on about - people get their knickers in a twist about people who are claiming JSA but they're actually talking about people (usually large families from poor socio-economic backgrounds - if we're getting the tar brush out) who take advantage of the system by claiming multiple lucrative benefits for either situations they've created for themselves or have near enough been born into.

 

JSA is a pittance - its not enough to live off never mind have a jolly on.............not that I've ever claimed it but I've seen those that have first hand.

 

It's all changing Ricey. They have made it almost impossible for people far worse off than I am to even apply for the lowest basic of benefits including amputees.

For arguments sake. The question on the claims form used to say can you walk 50 meters without pain. Answer from an amputee should be no as they always feel pain especially at 1st. Now the question reads. Can you walk 50ft and no mention of pain! Well of course they can. They took off the pain bit.

So now they loose what they had. And its happening to disabled ex forces up and down the Country.

I may be blinkered because of the rotton deal they get.

But yes I started off on the equivelent of JSA for a year after I came out of the forces. But then said rollox and went out and got a job but took pain killers to get me through the day. Now 30 years on it's the pain killers that have killed me in the literal sesce.

It's a very fine line

Edited September 30, 2013 by 4RE Leather

[aidan]

Yep...the problem is its very hard to judge unless its case by case.....which is, lets face it, impossible.

BUT

and I can guess that my local bars / pubs make most of there day time profits from unemployed people, and not just one or two pints a day. These are regulars. Now there was a time when I would have loved to sit in a pub all day (to old now)....but don't think I could honestly afford it. These "pillars of our society" may well be on this and that goverment help, but at the end of the day, if your not working then your "office hours / tax payers cash" shouldn't be put towards your local drinking establishment.

 

Note - can substitute alcohol for drugs depending on your local area.

 

Yes there are many many who need a helping hand, but stop the f**kers who are simply taking the ****, and there might be more to help out elsewhere.

Edited September 30, 2013 by aidan

[Fodder]

4RELeather - that was my point. Those that need the help and are honest law abiding will always lose out to the small element that know the system and thrive on it.

I'm all for social care where folks struggle to contribute due to reasons out of their control. My sister was one of them.

 

That to me in My uneducated eye is falling down. There are plenty of deserving folks out there who the system is letting down because they don't know their way around it.

 

I don't know what the fix is but making folks who have no intention of working do something for the community they are residing in is a start - as long as it doesn't push those grafting on the bottom rung already at a disadvantage.

[Ricey]

If any of you can cure Chronic Cluster Headaches, Chronic pain syndrome, Reiter's Syndrome and Sever Ankylosing Spondilitis I will gladly go outa nd go back to work.

I would swap the endless days being housebound when my joints swell up and I vomit with pain for just 1 day of normality.

Take Yesterday for instance :

The usual gang and I drove to The Pod for the day.

I got sick and was taking anti vomit pills and Morphine to such an extent I would have been dangerous to drive back.

So I asked my passenger.

Yep I would swap a few weeks with any of you lucky able people provided you have my income and I have yours.

After the last one sided debate we had when one member dug a hole so deep for himself he ended up leaving .

I would have thought that lumping everyone under the same heading as "Scum" which one member called us, may be an insult.

Arran said conscription. I am all for that.

But what happens to them if they become injured and are medically discharged, and unable to work full time due to injuries sustained?

I know, lets lump them under the banner "SCUM" !

 

Agree with your argument Pete but I guess you don't claim JSA. You'll be on incap benefit or ESA I should imagine?

 

Thats what I'm on about - people get their knickers in a twist about people who are claiming JSA but they're actually talking about people (usually large families from poor socio-economic backgrounds - if we're getting the tar brush out) who take advantage of the system by claiming multiple lucrative benefits for either situations they've created for themselves or have near enough been born into.

 

JSA is a pittance - its not enough to live off never mind have a jolly on.............not that I've ever claimed it but I've seen those that have first hand.

 

It's all changing Ricey. They have made it almost impossible for people far worse off than I am to even aply for the lowest basic of benefits including amputees.

For arguments sake. The question on the claims form used to say can you walk 50 meters without pain. Answer from an amputee should be no as they always feel pain especially at 1st. Now the question reads. Can you walk 50ft and no mention of pain! Well of course they can. They took off the pain bit.

So now they loose what they had. And its happening to disabled ex forces up and down the Country.

I may be blinkered because of the rotton deal they get.

But yes I started off on the equivelent of JSA for a year after I came out of the forces. But then said rollox and went out and got a job but took pain killers to get me through the day. Now 30 years on it's the pain killers that have killed me in the literal sence.

It's a very fine line

 

Thing that pisses me off is how can the system fail someone like you or an amputee say but then be allowed to be exploited by some 10th generation scrotter. It's just not right and it surely cannot be that hard to fix FFS!

[Y23DRH]

If any of you can cure Chronic Cluster Headaches, Chronic pain syndrome, Reiter's Syndrome and Sever Ankylosing Spondilitis I will gladly go outa nd go back to work.

I would swap the endless days being housebound when my joints swell up and I vomit with pain for just 1 day of normality.

Take Yesterday for instance :

The usual gang and I drove to The Pod for the day.

I got sick and was taking anti vomit pills and Morphine to such an extent I would have been dangerous to drive back.

So I asked my passenger.

Yep I would swap a few weeks with any of you lucky able people provided you have my income and I have yours.

After the last one sided debate we had when one member dug a hole so deep for himself he ended up leaving .

I would have thought that lumping everyone under the same heading as "Scum" which one member called us, may be an insult.

Arran said conscription. I am all for that.

But what happens to them if they become injured and are medically discharged, and unable to work full time due to injuries sustained?

I know, lets lump them under the banner "SCUM" !

 

 

I feel the same mate i have been off work since 2008 due to a head injury caused epilepsy i have also since then had 4 heart operations and a pace maker fitted to keep me alive and im only 28 now

 

But i how erver want to get back in to work yea i got payed out for the injury but i would give all the money back to just have one day of normality back in my life

 

i lost my license for 3 years due to the epilepsy and now i have it back i can only drive 30hrs a month :/

 

I have spoken to my specialist and doctors about returning to work and so far they wont allow it im on high rate disability living allowance witch is roughly 500 a month but when your use to earning 2k month is hell to live if it wasnt for my parensts and the company admiting liablity for the injury i would have been screwed took a 5 year court case tho but thats another story

 

Emd of the day i think getting the people who are long term unemployed back in to work would be a good thing but there also targetting esa and disability benniftis just seem to me like scare mongering to me

 

 

 

 

[sipar69]

Really, I'd rather see child support money pulled than this. If you can't afford to have kids, then don't have them in the first place.

 

We don't always agree Ekona but I'm with you one hundred percent on that. I am sick to death of people (unemployed or otherwise) moaning about the cost of having kids. Can't afford em, don't have em!

[Stutopia]

Really, I'd rather see child support money pulled than this. If you can't afford to have kids, then don't have them in the first place.

 

We don't always agree Ekona but I'm with you one hundred percent on that. I am sick to death of people (unemployed or otherwise) moaning about the cost of having kids. Can't afford em, don't have em!

 

If only there was a system where you could have a Zed by accident and then get state funding to subsidise the cost.

[coldel]

Really, I'd rather see child support money pulled than this. If you can't afford to have kids, then don't have them in the first place.

 

We don't always agree Ekona but I'm with you one hundred percent on that. I am sick to death of people (unemployed or otherwise) moaning about the cost of having kids. Can't afford em, don't have em!

 

I was on a job that paid a lot, my wife had a great job lined up, between us earning a fair amount of cash. Then her job suddenly got dumped out of the blue and I got made redundant in the same week with a 3 month old baby. Yes we took a punt that I was paying for everything and that my job would be safe when having our baby but we had a huge amount of bad luck in the space of a few months financially, and to be honest how else can you plan for a baby other than having a job and not being in debt?

 

Also we were having trouble conceiving, time was running out as we both approached 40. So it was now or never. Prior to the job nightmare we had I had been in continuous employment for 12 years, I don't shirk work.

 

We lived off our savings for a while but that child benefit made a massive difference to simply paying for some food shopping as we tried to make it stretch as both of us coped with the demands of a young baby and huge life change and trying to find work in a recession hit market place.

 

Its not always just scroungers taking in child benefit.

[Ekona]

Well obviously there could be exceptions, as you had things sorted until it went belly-up, I'm talking more about those on minimum wages or on benefits who have kids and clearly cannot afford them.

 

Can you adopt if you're living on benefits? Not you personally, it's a more general question. If you can't, then that would seem to indicate that the state agrees with me.

[chubbster]

Well done BBK - popular topic! You've stirred up the proverbial hornet's nest.

 

One thing I've noticed over the years is that when modern-day governments (Labour or Tory) get involved in something, they c0ck it up. I'd actually be surprised if this idea comes to anything.

 

The person who suggested that this is an ill-conceived Daily Mail type headline grabber in advance of the Tory Party conference is absolutely right. The problem is that if they actually put this plan into practise it will be yet another smack in the teeth for those poor honest people who, through no fault of their own, are unable to work, when what they're trying to do is nobble the workshy scroungers (and I admit they do exist). The government has already slapped many disabled people about the head with the bedroom tax and driven others to distraction with their new assessments. This latest idea would only serve to pile more unhappiness on the most vulnerable, helpless and poor members of our society - but that's one thing the Tories are good at.

 

As others have suggested, if there are jobs out there which can be funded (eg litter picking), then pay the people a proper wage (ie at least the minimum wage), as long as you can differentiate between the genuinely needy (who may be unable to do the work for one reason or another) and the workshy scrounger (who probably should do it).

 

As for the person who posted the photo of the slaughterhouse gun - that was just cheap, obscene and not nearly as clever or funny as he thought it was.

[Ekona]

It's a good idea, though. The slaughterhouse gun, not the dole idea thing.

[rtbiscuit]

I'd like to see claimants paid in vouchers. If your a long time non worker and you have no medical reason to be out of work, I think all your benefits should be in vouchers like the old ration books. It should pay for the roof over your head, the food in your belly and the clothes on your back (and your kids) it shouldn't cover alcohol, cigarettes, sky tv, or the bookies. Etc. If I'm paying tax and I cut the luxuries out of my life in order to pay the bills, why should I be funding someone to smoke, drink and watch sky, when I can't. I'm more than happy to pay for and support those in need. But you don't need any of those luxuries.

[Ekona]

Yup, common sense. There will of course be a black market in vouchers, but I still say it's a better idea than cash.