NeilMH Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) Next spring am considering changing my 2005 Roadster for as late and good a 313 Coupe as I can. Have looked at Guides and Search and Googled and read published reviews but can't quite find what I want. It's really a question for current 313 owners. So....it's not difficult to work out what the upsides of a 313 are vs a DE. Plus I would expect to do the following (if it doesn't have it already): - Uprev, Milltek, Berks HFCs, Pop Chargers (I want the noise - don't care about heat soak) My simple question is - are there any downsides to a 313 - engine or otherwise vs DE? Anyone had both versions? Edited September 23, 2013 by NeilMH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Bower Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Had mine for two and a half years,probably done around twenty trips back and forth to my work in Germany-guess what? NO PROBLEMS AT ALL. If you can find one,get it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clown Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) You already know but £490 tax a year Edited September 23, 2013 by Clown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I've never had a DE, only a HR, but a general impression is that there's a smaller range of mods available, and they tend to cost more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilMH Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Thanks for the contributions so far: - Terence - good - thanks - Clown - yes thanks re reminder about the tax - a pain but I wouldn't let if put me off - Commander - the only mods would be the basic tuning ones I listed - I'm not into cosmetic mods of any kind so that's ok thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bems Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Think the DE has slightly more usable torque but as I've only ever had the HR I couldn't comment on actual physical difference. You won't be disappointed tho. I may well be selling mine come next May/June time unless I can come up with a cunning plan of some sort Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 On 23/09/2013 at 07:01, NeilMH said: - Commander - the only mods would be the basic tuning ones I listed - I'm not into cosmetic mods of any kind so that's ok thanks I was talking about engine mods HFCs cost more on the HR than the DE and you have two air filters and two MAF Sensors on the HR instead of one... Only little things, but they start to add up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hensh65 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I think going from a roadster you will notice a difference, as with almost all rag tops they are a bit heavier and a bit less ridged. Also the general look of the HR is much better inside and out and thats from someone with a DE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 On 23/09/2013 at 09:30, hensh65 said: a bit less ridged best typo I've seen for a while 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Absolutely no downsides at all that i can see going from DE to HR. I've tracked back to back a DE revup ragtop and a HR coupe, and in every way that mattered the coupe was the better car. Lighter, quicker, hungrier for revs, better looking, the lot. Plus you can use 95RON, if you're a real tight-arse 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilMH Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 On 23/09/2013 at 09:07, Commander said: On 23/09/2013 at 07:01, NeilMH said: - Commander - the only mods would be the basic tuning ones I listed - I'm not into cosmetic mods of any kind so that's ok thanks I was talking about engine mods HFCs cost more on the HR than the DE and you have two air filters and two MAF Sensors on the HR instead of one... Only little things, but they start to add up! Oh..ok.. thanks. Knew about the 2X thing but didn't know that HFCs cost more. Oh well...probably not too bad in the long term. I own the car jointly so all the costs are divided by 2 Bems - thanks for the comment about the torque. When I get it re-mapped my priorities will be mid-range torque and driveability rather than BHP so hopefully the difference will be marginal. hensh65 - I found the 350Z roadster to be better than I expected in terms of rigidity but undoubtedly the tin-top will make a difference and yes... from what I have seen the interior is a step up - but bizarrely I don't dislike my current interior. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilMH Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 On 23/09/2013 at 09:39, ioneabee said: On 23/09/2013 at 09:30, hensh65 said: a bit less ridged best typo I've seen for a while Good spot - good rubber on the HR then. On 23/09/2013 at 09:39, Ekona said: Absolutely no downsides at all that i can see going from DE to HR. I've tracked back to back a DE revup ragtop and a HR coupe, and in every way that mattered the coupe was the better car. Lighter, quicker, hungrier for revs, better looking, the lot. Plus you can use 95RON, if you're a real tight-arse Thanks Dan. Sounds good to me. I'll still probably use Super - usually they contain better detergents and additives and with only weekend driving my nether regions don't need to be tightened to that extent Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Off the top of my head the HR has either the same or a few torques more than the older DE. It was the Revup that lost a few in the hunt for the extra 20BHP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveparkin Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 (edited) On 23/09/2013 at 09:51, KyleR said: Off the top of my head the HR has either the same or a few torques more than the older DE. It was the Revup that lost a few in the hunt for the extra 20BHP. ^ this Oh, and my HR never used a drop of oil. Edited September 23, 2013 by daveparkin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilMH Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 Thank you KyleR and daveparkin. It's looking good. I've spent ages looking around researching other stuff but have just realised the obvious...if I like my current 350 so much why don't I just get the best and latest version....given my budget. By now I have also acquired enough knowledge to know what I would want to do with it when I get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 On 23/09/2013 at 12:50, NeilMH said: why don't I just get the best and latest version.... so when you getting a 370 then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnH Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 On 23/09/2013 at 06:55, Commander said: I've never had a DE, only a HR, but a general impression is that there's a smaller range of mods available, and they tend to cost more. There are a few things I've been looking for which you might think would be compatible from DE to HR but aren't, engine strut bar, engine bay dress up bolts. They're just small things but can be a PITA to find for a HR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Bower Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Mine is one of the first 313 engined cars-only one filtre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hensh65 Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Why is there no 0 - 62 time recorded for the HR ? anyone know what it is ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 I think it's 5.6... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 On 23/09/2013 at 13:36, Terence Bower said: Mine is one of the first 313 engined cars-only one filtre. Wait, what? Are you saying you have a 309bhp car, but that the engine only has one air filter? If so, then I don't think you have a 309bhp car... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilMH Posted September 23, 2013 Author Share Posted September 23, 2013 On 23/09/2013 at 12:57, ioneabee said: On 23/09/2013 at 12:50, NeilMH said: why don't I just get the best and latest version.... so when you getting a 370 then All I can say in my defence is I did give it very serious consideration. Unless I am missing something wouldn't any HR have 2 air filters? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4RE Leather Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 Had this HR for 2 years now. 2009 1st registered. Never have to put oil and water in it. And never let me down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watshot Posted September 23, 2013 Share Posted September 23, 2013 By definition, an HR is a 313ps engine with two intakes. If you have one intake, you don't have an HR/313. You (Terence) probably have a late registered Revup/DE, and have been misled when purchasing perhaps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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