Keyser Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Getting the new motor running and talk to the stock can bus system is easy. Use a Syvecs S8 ECU configure the custom can from the Syvecs to talk to the stock ambush circuit via canbus box and your dash/heater BCM will all work like a stock car. Full traction control as well. I've read this 4 times now....and i literally have no idea what 90% of these words mean Allow me to translate Getting the new motor running and talk to the stock can bus system is easy. Mark means "For me it's easy as I've been playing with the ECU's (Engine Control Unit's) For years" Use a Syvecs S8 ECU (Syvecs = after market ECU manufacturer S8 is the model number you would probably use an S6 on a 350z but the S8 on a V8 and it has more functions) So he menas take out the Nissan ECU and put in a Syvecs ECU configure the custom can (CAN = Control Area Network) from the Syvecs to talk to the stock ambush circuit via canbus (CANBUS = A communications protocol that allows devices and computers in a modern car to communicate with each other. It allows modern vehicles to have such functions as increasing the volume of the stereo as you speed up and slowing down the windscreen wipers when the car stops.) box and your dash/heater BCM (BCM = body control module) will all work like a stock car. So he means your rev counter, AC controls, warning lights etc etc will all still work without having to change the dash out or put in after market gauges. Full traction control as well. I recon you got this bit but Mark points it out as the Syves traction control is awesome I know I've had a demo : I hope that helps 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasso Posted April 24, 2013 Share Posted April 24, 2013 Good post Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deank93 Posted April 24, 2013 Author Share Posted April 24, 2013 Agreed, thanks for taking the time to break it down for an automotive div like me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis hill Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Hi lads sorry to ressurect a thread but I'm looking to do a ls2 at the moment. I see a few people have said 10-12k for a conversion. Does this mean including labor to install? Also what ecu was in that budget and what the budget including custom harnesses? Was it including custom engine mounts or sikky kit? I have PM'd wasso but looking to get as much info from everyone to get an idea of the cost. Also don't want to hassle wasso with a million questions lol. Thanks in advance Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Hi lads sorry to ressurect a thread but I'm looking to do a ls2 at the moment. I see a few people have said 10-12k for a conversion. Does this mean including labor to install? Also what ecu was in that budget and what the budget including custom harnesses? Was it including custom engine mounts or sikky kit? I have PM'd wasso but looking to get as much info from everyone to get an idea of the cost. Also don't want to hassle wasso with a million questions lol. Thanks in advance Try starting with a budget of 15k Engine = 5K - ECU/Chip = around 5k, mounts, harnesses etc, another couple grand, Tuning and Fitting will be costly too. Will need to find a specialist to do an engine conversion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbitstew Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Im sure there was someone on here who had an LS3 shipped over from the states and was building a drifting 350 he was going to put it in.? EDIT: http://www.350z-uk.com/topic/72723-bizzs-ls3-62l-v8-350z-drift-car-project-it-can-drift/ I knew I hadnt dreamt it! Edited October 15, 2014 by rabbitstew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis hill Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Okay well I have seen a place called topcat racing do tvr ls2 converions for 10k. I understand different car and that but the engine and ecu and harness problems must be the same? I understand there may be more fabrication involved in 350z but so I've read is 1k-2.5k for ecu so where does the 5k come from? I'm a noon with this sorry of stuff and only picking it up from reading diy threads lol Edited October 15, 2014 by lewis hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis hill Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 (edited) Im sure there was someone on here who had an LS3 shipped over from the states and was building a drifting 350 he was going to put it in.? EDIT: http://www.350z-uk.com/topic/72723-bizzs-ls3-62l-v8-350z-drift-car-project-it-can-drift/ I knew I hadnt dreamt it! That's exactly what made me decide it may be a better route especially when people have had 10-12k quotes. I was just wondering what sort of software and roots of quality parts are involved Edited October 15, 2014 by lewis hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 The simplest way to look at this is, do you have a budget? If not then go for it If your budget is cutting it close, don't even start. My engine died last month, and I instantly thought, time for a V8. Priced it all up, just wasn't worth it. So much easier and cheaper in the states. If I had money, I'd do it without a second thought, but it's a costly project, where you need to budget for the unexpected as well as the expected. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis hill Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Haha everyone has a budget it just from what I've read this company are specialist in L's conversions to a few cars. And surely with a knowledgeable fitters with decent ecu harnesses and that, there shouldnt be many problems as is a NA. I understand things can go wrong with the ls2 but that's just like any engine. It's got to be a much safer route than turboing a NA 350z which wasn't built for FI? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 IIRC an LS literally runs off of 3 wires, so harnesses arent really an issue apart from getting gauges working properly etc, although most will just buy a STACK dash or similar which would be supplied with a harness anyway. The problem is making it fit in the chassis, there can be serious fab work involved there with crossmembers, engine mounts, gearbox mounts, propshaft - even getting the gearstick in the right place isnt easy. Although these guys will be familiar with TVR's I imagine they would have to start from scratch with a Z33 so it aint going to be cheap. If youre serious about it then Sikky do a premade kit thats pretty reasonable, and I know Bizz was going to reproduce his too, factor in cost of engine and gearbox and the work to fit it and I reckon you could get it done for £8K best case, £10K worst case. For comparison, I reckon a 500hp TT 350Z with a forged engine would set you back around £12K ........... Im definitely tempted, I have to say Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis hill Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 IIRC an LS literally runs off of 3 wires, so harnesses arent really an issue apart from getting gauges working properly etc, although most will just buy a STACK dash or similar which would be supplied with a harness anyway. The problem is making it fit in the chassis, there can be serious fab work involved there with crossmembers, engine mounts, gearbox mounts, propshaft - even getting the gearstick in the right place isnt easy. Although these guys will be familiar with TVR's I imagine they would have to start from scratch with a Z33 so it aint going to be cheap. If youre serious about it then Sikky do a premade kit thats pretty reasonable, and I know Bizz was going to reproduce his too, factor in cost of engine and gearbox and the work to fit it and I reckon you could get it done for £8K best case, £10K worst case. For comparison, I reckon a 500hp TT 350Z with a forged engine would set you back around £12K ........... Im definitely tempted, I have to say Thanks for the info mate. Well yes sikky kit was one I was thinking of buying and I heard about bizz making a kit but didn't know when. Also I am in the fabrication and welding game myself so could save money there. I want to try keep as much OEM as possible. Also I have thought about turbo but the engine isn't built for that kind of power even if you forge it I still feel it cab pop anytime but with the ls2 you know youre safe if you stay NA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Mmmmmm .......... the only thing Id add is Ive heard of a lot of oil problems when using them for track stuff, that might well be something to keep in mind. Im playing with the idea of doing mine but something keeps stopping me, might be that when the weather gets better Ill change my mind again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis hill Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Mmmmmm .......... the only thing Id add is Ive heard of a lot of oil problems when using them for track stuff, that might well be something to keep in mind. Im playing with the idea of doing mine but something keeps stopping me, might be that when the weather gets better Ill change my mind again To be honest I don't think id track it or if I did maybe once or twice. I'm not a fan of abusing my cars lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 Mmmmmm .......... the only thing Id add is Ive heard of a lot of oil problems when using them for track stuff, that might well be something to keep in mind. Im playing with the idea of doing mine but something keeps stopping me, might be that when the weather gets better Ill change my mind again To be honest I don't think id track it or if I did maybe once or twice. I'm not a fan of abusing my cars lol ha ha, so your'e going to drop a V8 in your Zed and not abuse it............................... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grundy Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 IIRC an LS literally runs off of 3 wires, so harnesses arent really an issue apart from getting gauges working properly etc, although most will just buy a STACK dash or similar which would be supplied with a harness anyway. The problem is making it fit in the chassis, there can be serious fab work involved there with crossmembers, engine mounts, gearbox mounts, propshaft - even getting the gearstick in the right place isnt easy. Although these guys will be familiar with TVR's I imagine they would have to start from scratch with a Z33 so it aint going to be cheap. If youre serious about it then Sikky do a premade kit thats pretty reasonable, and I know Bizz was going to reproduce his too, factor in cost of engine and gearbox and the work to fit it and I reckon you could get it done for £8K best case, £10K worst case. For comparison, I reckon a 500hp TT 350Z with a forged engine would set you back around £12K ........... Im definitely tempted, I have to say Thanks for the info mate. Well yes sikky kit was one I was thinking of buying and I heard about bizz making a kit but didn't know when. Also I am in the fabrication and welding game myself so could save money there. I want to try keep as much OEM as possible. Also I have thought about turbo but the engine isn't built for that kind of power even if you forge it I still feel it cab pop anytime but with the ls2 you know youre safe if you stay NA makes no sense. Any engine can go bang... I'm walking proof. Everyone said 350 engine are bullet proof. At least 10 on this forum have died this year. NA or FI can both go pop. Ash' 500hp forged twin turbo will probably have less chance of going bang than your V8... Don't mean to sound harsh, but you need to look at this from all angles #teamtarmac 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewis hill Posted October 15, 2014 Share Posted October 15, 2014 IIRC an LS literally runs off of 3 wires, so harnesses arent really an issue apart from getting gauges working properly etc, although most will just buy a STACK dash or similar which would be supplied with a harness anyway. The problem is making it fit in the chassis, there can be serious fab work involved there with crossmembers, engine mounts, gearbox mounts, propshaft - even getting the gearstick in the right place isnt easy. Although these guys will be familiar with TVR's I imagine they would have to start from scratch with a Z33 so it aint going to be cheap. If youre serious about it then Sikky do a premade kit thats pretty reasonable, and I know Bizz was going to reproduce his too, factor in cost of engine and gearbox and the work to fit it and I reckon you could get it done for £8K best case, £10K worst case. For comparison, I reckon a 500hp TT 350Z with a forged engine would set you back around £12K ........... Im definitely tempted, I have to say Thanks for the info mate. Well yes sikky kit was one I was thinking of buying and I heard about bizz making a kit but didn't know when. Also I am in the fabrication and welding game myself so could save money there. I want to try keep as much OEM as possible. Also I have thought about turbo but the engine isn't built for that kind of power even if you forge it I still feel it cab pop anytime but with the ls2 you know youre safe if you stay NA makes no sense. Any engine can go bang... I'm walking proof. Everyone said 350 engine are bullet proof. At least 10 on this forum have died this year. NA or FI can both go pop. Ash' 500hp forged twin turbo will probably have less chance of going bang than your V8... Don't mean to sound harsh, but you need to look at this from all angles #teamtarmac hmm yeh i understand that but a FI 350z has a much bigger chance than a ls2 going bang? Im not saying ls2 wont go bang because like you said any engine can but if your forcing the engine to do more common sense says it lasts less haha so logical idea is get the v8 over a turbo or supercharger? Plus the v8 roar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 makes no sense. Any engine can go bang... I'm walking proof. Everyone said 350 engine are bullet proof. At least 10 on this forum have died this year. NA or FI can both go pop. Ash' 500hp forged twin turbo will probably have less chance of going bang than your V8... Don't mean to sound harsh, but you need to look at this from all angles Sorry man but it makes perfect sense - a VQ running anything above standard power is more likely to go bang than an LS running standard power, and its pretty fair to say theres a lot more to go wrong with an FI setup than with NA as well, regardless of how well it was built. You were unlucky, but relatively speaking there arent a lot of engine failures on here, which would suggest the VQ is a pretty solid lump, EJ20's, RB26 and CA18's are all much, much worse and can you guess what they all have in common? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
saihaynes Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) I have a solution Sell the 350z, take the 10grand you would have spent on the conversion and buy Monaro Edited October 16, 2014 by saihaynes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 How on earth does that make any sense at all? Swapping one DE car for another? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) makes no sense. Any engine can go bang... I'm walking proof. Everyone said 350 engine are bullet proof. At least 10 on this forum have died this year. NA or FI can both go pop. Ash' 500hp forged twin turbo will probably have less chance of going bang than your V8... Don't mean to sound harsh, but you need to look at this from all angles Sorry man but it makes perfect sense - a VQ running anything above standard power is more likely to go bang than an LS running standard power, and its pretty fair to say theres a lot more to go wrong with an FI setup than with NA as well, regardless of how well it was built. You were unlucky, but relatively speaking there arent a lot of engine failures on here, which would suggest the VQ is a pretty solid lump, EJ20's, RB26 and CA18's are all much, much worse and can you guess what they all have in common? So you reckon a built Forged engine wont outlast a stock engine when driven hard ?? Edited October 16, 2014 by StevoD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 Surely he means Monaro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 we already decided monaros are **** on here why bother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brillomaster Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 I think what he meant to say was 'Sell the 350z, take the 10grand you would have spent on the conversion and buy a Corvette http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/chevrolet/corvette/chevrolet-corvette-v8-2001/2899969 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 16, 2014 Share Posted October 16, 2014 makes no sense. Any engine can go bang... I'm walking proof. Everyone said 350 engine are bullet proof. At least 10 on this forum have died this year. NA or FI can both go pop. Ash' 500hp forged twin turbo will probably have less chance of going bang than your V8... Don't mean to sound harsh, but you need to look at this from all angles Sorry man but it makes perfect sense - a VQ running anything above standard power is more likely to go bang than an LS running standard power, and its pretty fair to say theres a lot more to go wrong with an FI setup than with NA as well, regardless of how well it was built. You were unlucky, but relatively speaking there arent a lot of engine failures on here, which would suggest the VQ is a pretty solid lump, EJ20's, RB26 and CA18's are all much, much worse and can you guess what they all have in common? So you reckon a built Forged engine wont outlast a stock engine when driven hard ?? I'd put money on it. Manufacturer designed and built OEM engine with £M development costs behind it vs Engine massively modified by someone for much less? Of course, you have exceptions, but as a rule an OEM engine will always be more reliable than any boosted lump, built or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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