Harryjax Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Did you see Panorama tonight. About the highly trained AFGANISTAN NATIONAL ARMY and the local Police corruption and practices. Not really any different from the Taliban. And to think what will happen when all the NATO troops have been withdrawn and the ANA take over the security for the whole AFGANISTAN nation. It will become a far worst place. A massive training and recruiting ground for terrorism. "Watch this space". 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Was always going to be the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo-ninja Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 I have a friend who has done a few tours of Afgan, he said they were downright useless - and one thing he always talks about that is really sick and scary is that on Fridays (could be wrong about the day) the Afgan army get in to their compounds lots of young boys for extracurricular activities! The British troops don't stop them and turn a blind eye as its just easier to let it happen then not. But apparently is a very common practise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 At least this is the first time that a middle eastern countries army has been armed to the teeth by an allied force who then **** off and leave them to their own devices........at least this hasnt happened time after pissing time, i mean that would be both frustrating a bloody stupid. Whilst we're on the subject where did the taliban get funding, training and weapons?.....ahhh thats right......the yanks in the 80's But at least the yanks didnt also support the Hussain regime......ah actually no they did that as well didnt they back in the 70's & 80's (to the tune of 40 billion). At least after all that no valuable or costly lessons have been missed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 At least this is the first time that a middle eastern countries army has been armed to the teeth by an allied force who then **** off and leave them to their own devices........at least this hasnt happened time after pissing time, i mean that would be both frustrating a bloody stupid. Whilst we're on the subject where did the taliban get funding, training and weapons?.....ahhh thats right......the yanks in the 80's But at least the yanks didnt also support the Hussain regime......ah actually no they did that as well didnt they back in the 70's & 80's (to the tune of 40 billion). At least after all that no valuable or costly lessons have been missed Spot on ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEADPHONES Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Corruption aside, I was shocked at how uncoordinated the police were. I've seen primary school kids with better discipline and coordination 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryjax Posted February 25, 2013 Author Share Posted February 25, 2013 Corruption aside, I was shocked at how uncoordinated the police were. I've seen primary school kids with better discipline and coordination That's because primary school kids aren't high on opium. Well not all of them anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhackyWill Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 Dont forget they cannot either read or write...and we give them guns, and tell them to behave, and be nice to each other...!! WTF...They are Tribes who have been always at war with each other...and we are the BONUS..because we have given them 20th century arms...If only you know how much they hate the West...! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 We were also a tribal nation. We grew and learnt. Why shouldn't we help out if possible? If you start it, you have to finish it, however long and however much money it takes. If you don't, then as pointed out you're back at square one. All the hand wringers who think we should never have gone there in the first place and should get out ASAP might well want to consider that. Just because a viewpoint is popular, doesn't make it the correct move. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 We were also a tribal nation. We grew and learnt. Why shouldn't we help out if possible? If you start it, you have to finish it, however long and however much money it takes. If you don't, then as pointed out you're back at square one. All the hand wringers who think we should never have gone there in the first place and should get out ASAP might well want to consider that. Just because a viewpoint is popular, doesn't make it the correct move. +1 Undoubtedly it is a long and hard road, it's worth trying to remember how steeped in tradition and religion places like Afghanistan are and therefore by "western world" standards they can be viewed as out of step with us. It is hard for countries to "grow up" and shake off long standing traditions and practices that others regard as unacceptable. I like to put it into perspective by remembering that it wasn't that long ago that females in this country were subjugated because it was believed that was correct. Add religion/beliefs into the mix and it will never be a quick fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 (edited) We were also a tribal nation. We grew and learnt. Why shouldn't we help out if possible? If you start it, you have to finish it, however long and however much money it takes. If you don't, then as pointed out you're back at square one. All the hand wringers who think we should never have gone there in the first place and should get out ASAP might well want to consider that. Just because a viewpoint is popular, doesn't make it the correct move. +1 Undoubtedly it is a long and hard road, it's worth trying to remember how steeped in tradition and religion places like Afghanistan are and therefore by "western world" standards they can be viewed as out of step with us. It is hard for countries to "grow up" and shake off long standing traditions and practices that others regard as unacceptable. I like to put it into perspective by remembering that it wasn't that long ago that females in this country were subjugated because it was believed that was correct. Add religion/beliefs into the mix and it will never be a quick fix. That's true but we need to be careful not to allow religion and tradition to be used as excuses for morally wrong acts (I'm not saying you are doing that). Having watched a story this morning about a girl who had her nose and ears cut off for running away from an abusive husband (and let's not forget the girl in Pakistan shot in the head for insisting on going to school) I couldn't care less about the traditional or cultural context of these acts - they are wrong in any country. And on the basis of the what I saw in the Panorama programme, to think that somebody in that girl's position, in a country where domestic violence and corruption is endemic, will very soon only have the Afghan police and army to turn to for help depresses me greatly. Whether it was right or not to be there in the first place, it seems mad to leave them in such an unprepared state to fend for themselves. It feels almost inevitable to me that within a few years of pulling out, the Taliban will be back in control. Edited February 26, 2013 by sipar69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 We were also a tribal nation. We grew and learnt. Why shouldn't we help out if possible? If you start it, you have to finish it, however long and however much money it takes. If you don't, then as pointed out you're back at square one. All the hand wringers who think we should never have gone there in the first place and should get out ASAP might well want to consider that. Just because a viewpoint is popular, doesn't make it the correct move. +1 Undoubtedly it is a long and hard road, it's worth trying to remember how steeped in tradition and religion places like Afghanistan are and therefore by "western world" standards they can be viewed as out of step with us. It is hard for countries to "grow up" and shake off long standing traditions and practices that others regard as unacceptable. I like to put it into perspective by remembering that it wasn't that long ago that females in this country were subjugated because it was believed that was correct. Add religion/beliefs into the mix and it will never be a quick fix. That's true but we need to be careful not to allow religion and tradition to be used as excuses for morally wrong acts (I'm not saying you are doing that). Having watched a story this morning about a girl who had her nose and ears cut off for running away from an abusive husband (and let's not forget the girl in Pakistan shot in the head for insisting on going to school) I couldn't care less about the traditional or cultural context of these acts - they are wrong in any country. And on the basis of the what I saw in the Panorama programme, to think that somebody in that girl's position, in a country where domestic violence and corruption is endemic, will very soon only have the Afghan police and army to turn to for help depresses me greatly. Whether it was right or not to be there in the first place, it seems mad to leave them in such an unprepared state to fend for themselves. It feels almost inevitable to me that within a few years of pulling out, the Taliban will be back in control. Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chubby Ninja Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 I dont think itl matter if the taliban get back in control. Theres a good chance that whoever does get the control, will be just as bad if not worse as they will have the backing of the US and UK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 We should just ban religion, all of it. Having imaginary friends always leads to trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chubby Ninja Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Completely agree. Religion cause nothing but bother. Everyone should worship me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 We should just ban religion, all of it. Having imaginary friends always leads to trouble. Couldn't have put it better myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 We should just ban religion, all of it. Having imaginary friends always leads to trouble. Amen to that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryjax Posted February 26, 2013 Author Share Posted February 26, 2013 Completely agree. Religion cause nothing but bother. Everyone should worship me! I only worship 3 things. 1. The Wife. 2. The kids. 3.. The Z. not necessarily in that order, but don't tell Number 1. ⬆ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chubby Ninja Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Haha so true. Im the same but instead of the kids i worship my dog lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chubby Ninja Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Just to note i dont have any kids. Its not that i have got kids but like the dog more lol 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Problem is Dan you will never ever, evereverever be successful in forcing peace onto an entire culture. As someone said above......this isn't something thats cropped up in the last 10, 20 or 30 years - its THE culture. Some people simply HATE the living guts of others and forcing them to play nice just makes them hate you. Unfortunately you also can't really leave them to their own devices but I genuinely don't see an end to this ever..........well at least one that doesn't have a giant mushroom cloud involved in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theheff Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 there was a channel 4 programme about religion on a few years back, aptly titled "the route of all evil" religion has always been there as a method of control, used before laws as we know them existed. if you look up PACE (police and criminal evidence act) it is basically the 10 commandments with a few modern twists. you shall not steal - theft act You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain - public order act You shall have no other gods before me - misuse of drugs act etc human beings as a species are always going to be at war and fighting over stuff. it is in our nature to want to control stuff. especially in uncivilised places were education is rare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ianphampton Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 If you start it, you have to finish it, however long and however much money it takes. If you don't, then as pointed out you're back at square one. All the hand wringers who think we should never have gone there in the first place and should get out ASAP might well want to consider that. If you really, really want to finish it - I seem to recall it needs about 4Kg of this stuff in each package - http://www.chemicalelements.com/elements/pu.html Sprinkle a few of those around and turn the whole place into a sea of fused glass. . . . While you're ai it there's a few other candidates too - like Pyongyang, or Tehran Solves how to get rid of the darn things as Russia can't afford a padlock for the storage bay doors, we might as well get some use out of them rather than just have them all nicked. (Bit of tongue in cheek here - but if you're going to have a discussion, lets include all the options . . . ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Nuke the entire site from orbit, only way to be sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted February 26, 2013 Share Posted February 26, 2013 Nuke the entire site from orbit, only way to be sure I was so close to putting this before but the last scrap of humanity I have stopped me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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