350 Russ Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Yes. Please explain why. Responsibility! Fair enough. So where do you stand on gas fitters? They have a responsibility too, as if they get it wrong they could kill far more in one go than the single person a surgeon could. Everyone has there worth, I agree with that. Consultants deserve there pay, gas fitters probably deserve there pay as they have extra skills, responsibilities, qualifications etc. the same applies to structural engineers, pilots, etc. but for a joiner to charge what they do is wrong. How would you know what a joiner charges, you paid someone who isn't a joiner £300 to lay some laminate in 7hrs Just admit it this isn't a rant at tradesmen at all it is just you realising you are a tool and admitting it on here for us all to enjoy Wrong, I talking about all the tradesmen I've used recently. surely a bit of common sense required, if all the trades you ask to give you quotes are as you say too expensive doesn't that give a clue that its the going rate??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Builder49 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I think it's wrong what I've been getting quoted and charged. Illegal immigrants!! That's the way forward mate. Put them up and they can renovate your house for food and lodgings! Don't start me off 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmc Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I think it's wrong what I've been getting quoted and charged. Illegal immigrants!! That's the way forward mate. Put them up and they can renovate your house for food and lodgings! Don't start me off +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harryjax Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I work for beer but I might change that for petrol if it keeps going up Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 "thinking back must have been Stuarty's Mum" :lol:Good one SMD Right, I'm off to watch Miranda. I don't suppose men like that programme but I can relate so much to her. I went out a couple of weeks ago for a meal with all the company directors and their wives and actually managed to come out of the loo with my dress tucked into, well, it doesn't really matter but suffice it to say that if it were not for one of the other company wives spotting my 'clothing malfunction' my face would have looked like this I love Miranda Also Me too. Couldn't fancy her though, to tall !!!! She would suit you Dave.. Although she would probably BOB you Well after my Paloma Faith thread and now Miranda I guess I just like weird women, must be why I like 2bears so much Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Yes. Please explain why. Responsibility! Fair enough. So where do you stand on gas fitters? They have a responsibility too, as if they get it wrong they could kill far more in one go than the single person a surgeon could. Everyone has there worth, I agree with that. Consultants deserve there pay, gas fitters probably deserve there pay as they have extra skills, responsibilities, qualifications etc. the same applies to structural engineers, pilots, etc. but for a joiner to charge what they do is wrong. How would you know what a joiner charges, you paid someone who isn't a joiner £300 to lay some laminate in 7hrs Just admit it this isn't a rant at tradesmen at all it is just you realising you are a tool and admitting it on here for us all to enjoy Wrong, I talking about all the tradesmen I've used recently. surely a bit of common sense required, if all the trades you ask to give you quotes are as you say too expensive doesn't that give a clue that its the going rate??? You've hit the nail well and truly on the head. That's the point I've been trying to make all night and its simply too expensive and that's why folk I speak to don't want to spend any cash on improving there Holmes. Then the trades have no work and they have to put the price's up again to make a living wage. It's a vicious circle and that's why I used to pay trades £150 a day and over the past few years it now £300 a day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
350 Russ Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 well then in that case get your quotes from a pole or lithuanian, or a washer monkey whos just done his 6 week intensive course, then put the money you saved to one side because your going to need it to call back the tradesman to correct their mistakes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Anyone who works for less than cost will not be in business for long Confucius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Anyone who works for less than cost will not be in business for long Confucius I'm confused too... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Builder49 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Try running a legitimate business and include the cost of employees, paye, tax, insurance, material increases and rising costs, then you might get a realisation of why we charge what we do. Then factor in all the customers who think you want cash, want to knock off VAT and tax and risk prosecution. Then factor in all the idiots who think its good not to pay the final installment or keep us waiting months for the payment, or bounce a cheque. I pay my employees in excess of £150 a day wages in order to ensure i get the right employee for the right job, thus offering the best possible product to the customer. Thats why I charge what I do....... if you choose to employ some untrained monkey to do a job for tradesmans rates, more fool you !!!!! Rant over 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Try running a legitimate business and include the cost of employees, paye, tax, insurance, material increases and rising costs, then you might get a realisation of why we charge what we do. Then factor in all the customers who think you want cash, want to knock off VAT and tax and risk prosecution. Then factor in all the idiots who think its good not to pay the final installment or keep us waiting months for the payment, or bounce a cheque. I pay my employees in excess of £150 a day wages in order to ensure i get the right employee for the right job, thus offering the best possible product to the customer. Thats why I charge what I do....... if you choose to employ some untrained monkey to do a job for tradesmans rates, more fool you !!!!! Rant over Exactly, you pay your employee's in excess of £150 a day, so I guessing that's about £150 a day. I'm not approaching big companies or companies in general. I'm asking tradesmen who work for a company to do a sidy, or a one man band. So why should I be getting quoted £300 a day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Builder49 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 in excess of £150 So yes you're right £300 was too much for a cash on the side job, but you should have said no if he quoted it. If he didn't quote then you've learnt a valuable lesson......... Employ someone legit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Try running a legitimate business and include the cost of employees, paye, tax, insurance, material increases and rising costs, then you might get a realisation of why we charge what we do. Then factor in all the customers who think you want cash, want to knock off VAT and tax and risk prosecution. Then factor in all the idiots who think its good not to pay the final installment or keep us waiting months for the payment, or bounce a cheque. I pay my employees in excess of £150 a day wages in order to ensure i get the right employee for the right job, thus offering the best possible product to the customer. Thats why I charge what I do....... if you choose to employ some untrained monkey to do a job for tradesmans rates, more fool you !!!!! Rant over Exactly, you pay your employee's in excess of £150 a day, so I guessing that's about £150 a day. I'm not approaching big companies or companies in general. I'm asking tradesmen who work for a company to do a sidy, or a one man band. So why should I be getting quoted £300 a day. So how much do you think it costs to employ a tradesman who is paid £150.00 a day by Builder 49 or any other small company ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 in excess of £150 So yes you're right £300 was too much for a cash on the side job, but you should have said no if he quoted it. If he didn't quote then you've learnt a valuable lesson......... Employ someone legit Fair point, I thought it would take 2 days, so I accepted the quote. Guy had no problem doing it in 1 day so fair play to him. Lesson learnt like everyone else I've spoke to regarding trades recently. Like the other folk I will not be in a hurry to give them any more work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 How many quotes for the laminate laying did you actually get? And what were they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Try running a legitimate business and include the cost of employees, paye, tax, insurance, material increases and rising costs, then you might get a realisation of why we charge what we do. Then factor in all the customers who think you want cash, want to knock off VAT and tax and risk prosecution. Then factor in all the idiots who think its good not to pay the final installment or keep us waiting months for the payment, or bounce a cheque. I pay my employees in excess of £150 a day wages in order to ensure i get the right employee for the right job, thus offering the best possible product to the customer. Thats why I charge what I do....... if you choose to employ some untrained monkey to do a job for tradesmans rates, more fool you !!!!! Rant over Exactly, you pay your employee's in excess of £150 a day, so I guessing that's about £150 a day. I'm not approaching big companies or companies in general. I'm asking tradesmen who work for a company to do a sidy, or a one man band. So why should I be getting quoted £300 a day. So how much do you think it costs to employ a tradesman who is paid £150.00 a day by Builder 49 or any other small company ? Try running a legitimate business and include the cost of employees, paye, tax, insurance, material increases and rising costs, then you might get a realisation of why we charge what we do. Then factor in all the customers who think you want cash, want to knock off VAT and tax and risk prosecution. Then factor in all the idiots who think its good not to pay the final installment or keep us waiting months for the payment, or bounce a cheque. I pay my employees in excess of £150 a day wages in order to ensure i get the right employee for the right job, thus offering the best possible product to the customer. Thats why I charge what I do....... if you choose to employ some untrained monkey to do a job for tradesmans rates, more fool you !!!!! Rant over Exactly, you pay your employee's in excess of £150 a day, so I guessing that's about £150 a day. I'm not approaching big companies or companies in general. I'm asking tradesmen who work for a company to do a sidy, or a one man band. So why should I be getting quoted £300 a day. So how much do you think it costs to employ a tradesman who is paid £150.00 a day by Builder 49 or any other small company ? Obviously a lot more than there daily rate, but I'm not approaching small companies, as I've already mentioned about 3 times. I'm approaching one man bands. But it may prove cost effective to approach a company in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Builder49 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) Always get 3 quotes, Recommendations of competence and honesty are best. Never rely on an estimate. Dont pay up front. Make plenty of tea ! (oh and bacon sarnies go down well) (as does an attractive woman in the house) Edited February 5, 2013 by Builder49 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Always get 3 quotes, Recommendations of competence and honesty are best. Never rely on an estimate. Dont pay up front. Make plenty of tea ! (oh and bacon sanies go down well) (as does an attractive woman in the house) and don't employ someone who turns up in an old sh!tty looking pick up who dresses like tramp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 You've just described me 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 How many quotes for the laminate laying did you actually get? And what were they? I've used several guys recently, jobs from knocking down walls to fitting staircases, bathrooms, rough casting, decking to name just a few. I may have been unlucky but when I sat down and looked at what I've been getting charged the absolute minimum was £300 a day. To answer your question regarding the flooring, I had 3 quotes all around the same price. I gave the guy the job who I was going to use to do other work a few weeks later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Builder49 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Where are you based, I'll send guys for £299 a day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Where are you based, I'll send guys for £299 a day No thanks, like most folk I know, I finished paying, time to save my cash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beetleben Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I wish I was paid that! I've been in the building trade for 18 years, self employed for 10. I've literally built houses and can do nearly anything, I won't do gas and legally can't do fuse boxes. I only charge £100 a day, £50 for half day, materials on top. No charge for tools unless a specialist piece of equipment. Last laminate flooring job I did, which was quite complicated was £200, materials supplied. Get quotes or daily rates, if people charge more for weekend or evenings tell them to come in normal working hours or take a hike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Where are you based, I'll send guys for £299 a day http://www.350z-uk.com/topic/67424-zed-prices/ Similar situation to myself there mate, you don't like getting fleeced, so why is it acceptable for me. Why is it ok for you to lecture about your overheads etc, but when Nissan apply the same principle to you it's a rip off? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Builder49 Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Where are you based, I'll send guys for £299 a day http://www.350z-uk.c...424-zed-prices/ Similar situation to myself there mate, you don't like getting fleeced, so why is it acceptable for me. Why is it ok for you to lecture about your overheads etc, but when Nissan apply the same principle to you it's a rip off? read my reply.... i got a quote and excepted it. yes its expensive but i needed to pay dealership rates to get a dealership stamp on a new vehicle. the difference is you can shop around, i couldn't Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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