stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Did he do a good job? Yes, he did an excellent job, but no joiner is worth £300 cash in hand for a days work! So you would recommend him, "excellent job" but with the warning that he works a bit too quickly? Lol, no he's to expensive. It's only laying some flooring. I would have done it myself but I was trying to help him out giving him a wee bit of work! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Thank god you're not in Scotland, you'd be a dick! Hey!! I am a dick! @ stuarty, you're not allowed to like that post!! I'm a dick most of the time too. I just don't like others being dicks! Lol. What makes things worse is that you're a posh dick with 45k worth of cars in your drive Mines only worth £7k and it's hidden away in my garage, in my modest end of terrace house So I should pay more because my cars worth more? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Thank god you're not in Scotland, you'd be a dick! Hey!! I am a dick! @ stuarty, you're not allowed to like that post!! I'm a dick most of the time too. I just don't like others being dicks! Lol. What makes things worse is that you're a posh dick with 45k worth of cars in your drive Mines only worth £7k and it's hidden away in my garage, in my modest end of terrace house So I should pay more because my cars worth more? Definitely, it's like an indirect type of taxation 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leonk Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 " I was trying to help him out " Don't feel so bad then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 " I was trying to help him out " Don't feel so bad then. Don't listen to him, he hasn't even got an avatar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbitstew Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I see where your coming from though. A few years back I was earning £50 a day for labouring work on a building site. I was working 7am to 7pm. So thats roughly £4.16 an hour. If you think thats bad, the Albanian immigrant who was working along side me was happy with just £30 a day for the same hours! So, at that point in time, if someone quoted me £300 to lay a bit of flooring, thats 6 days wages for me, so id tell them where to go. However, now with the rates im getting paid, for £300 for a very good professional job, id seriously consider paying it, as for me my time is worth that. For me it depends on whether I can do the job myself and how long it will take me. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 On this fateful day I was also working. (I work every Saturday and Sunday). I was chatting to a friend at work during breakfast, who is a consultant surgeon, who specialises in general surgery. Anyway, he was doing an extra Sunday shift for the next 6 weeks to help reduce NHS waiting lists. We got talking about what we get paid for weekends etc and he didn't even receive an extra £300 after deductions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
350 Russ Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 (edited) It's things like this that make me not want to do private jobs for people anymore, it's not worth the hassle, I can guarantee that you would be complaining more if you paid him 150 and he f***** up your flooring. It's like Stella Artois, reassuringly expensive, usually you get what you pay for, he probably sees himself as worth that money because he is good at his job. Where as if you had someone come round and start dropping money off left right and centre then there usually crap. Like you said he did a good job so it doesn't matter whether it took him 7 hours or 7 days you got a quality installation where he probably didn't cut corners trying to get it done and out the door. Edited February 5, 2013 by 350 Russ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 On this fateful day I was also working. (I work every Saturday and Sunday). I was chatting to a friend at work during breakfast, who is a consultant surgeon, who specialises in general surgery. Anyway, he was doing an extra Sunday shift for the next 6 weeks to help reduce NHS waiting lists. We got talking about what we get paid for weekends etc and he didn't even receive an extra £300 after deductions. I wouldn't trust a surgeon that charged less than £300 per day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensurfer Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I work in IT Security, we charge £1200 per day (9am-5:30pm) for me to essentially sit there and press NEXT when installing software. However, as someone said above, you are also paying for my knowledge / experience plus also the knowledge / experience of the company I work for plus after install promises. That £1200 goes towards my salary, my expenses, profit margins, sales costs etc so I appreciate it's probably a poor comparison. I guess at the end of the day, it's down to experience. A joiner would be worth £300 to me if he was doing what I wanted and to a level I would expect from an experienced tradesman, depending on the type of job of course! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chubby Ninja Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Stuarty if its any use to you my m8 is a very good joiner and very reasonably priced and is in central scotland if you still need work done. He would even give you a price before you accepted him to do the job. And if u need a sparky im your man lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Stuarty if its any use to you my m8 is a very good joiner and very reasonably priced and is in central scotland if you still need work done. He would even give you a price before you accepted him to do the job. And if u need a sparky im your man lol Appreciate that mate, TBH if it's cash in hand I'm more than happy to pay a good tradesman £150 a day. I'm not expecting him to kill himself either. I honestly expected it to take 2 days but he did it in one day. You could argue I still got the job done really well irrespective of how long it took. But me being me would have said to the customer "I think I over estimated the time that it took" and have reduced the price. Also the guy would have got loads more work from me as I've recently bought a flat to rent out that needs some TLC, but unfortunately he's buggered it for himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 On this fateful day I was also working. (I work every Saturday and Sunday). I was chatting to a friend at work during breakfast, who is a consultant surgeon, who specialises in general surgery. Anyway, he was doing an extra Sunday shift for the next 6 weeks to help reduce NHS waiting lists. We got talking about what we get paid for weekends etc and he didn't even receive an extra £300 after deductions. I wouldn't trust a surgeon that charged less than £300 per day It may come as a surprise to you but a consultant surgeon in the NHS can be paid as little as £76k per year. That's under £300 per day before tax and insurance deductions! Also a registar can be paid around £40k for carrying out the same duties, as there are limited consultants jobs. Furthermore, I'm talking about excellent medics at the top of there profession. Now tell me a joiner should be equally paid! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aliensurfer Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 You can't compare salaries from the NHS to the corporate / freelance world Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chubby Ninja Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Stuarty if its any use to you my m8 is a very good joiner and very reasonably priced and is in central scotland if you still need work done. He would even give you a price before you accepted him to do the job. And if u need a sparky im your man lol Appreciate that mate, TBH if it's cash in hand I'm more than happy to pay a good tradesman £150 a day. I'm not expecting him to kill himself either. I honestly expected it to take 2 days but he did it in one day. You could argue I still got the job done really well irrespective of how long it took. But me being me would have said to the customer "I think I over estimated the time that it took" and have reduced the price. Also the guy would have got loads more work from me as I've recently bought a flat to rent out that needs some TLC, but unfortunately he's buggered it for himself. agree. I take 120 for a days work for someone i dont know. 150 would be a good pay and id be happy to pay that for someone who done a very good job in my house. If you need any work done stuarty either joinery or electrical just send me a pm and we would be happy to have a look at it for you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Appreciate that mate, TBH if it's cash in hand I'm more than happy to pay a good tradesman £150 a day. I'm not expecting him to kill himself either. I honestly expected it to take 2 days but he did it in one day. So by your own admission he did a good job and is a good tradesman, yes? And you'd be happy to pay a good tradesman £150 a day, also yes? And you expected him to take two days, still yes? Now maths isn't my strong point, but I think I see a slight flaw in your argument here... I genuinely wouldn't get out of bed for £150 a day unless it was something I was seriously interested in. Like dressing Mila Kunis. With my tongue. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 If there were more tradesmen with the same attitude as The chubby ninja, this country would be booming, as folk wouldn't mind spending there hard earned cash! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Chubby Ninja Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Appreciate that mate, TBH if it's cash in hand I'm more than happy to pay a good tradesman £150 a day. I'm not expecting him to kill himself either. I honestly expected it to take 2 days but he did it in one day. So by your own admission he did a good job and is a good tradesman, yes? And you'd be happy to pay a good tradesman £150 a day, also yes? And you expected him to take two days, still yes? Now maths isn't my strong point, but I think I see a slight flaw in your argument here... I genuinely wouldn't get out of bed for £150 a day unless it was something I was seriously interested in. Like dressing Mila Kunis. With my tongue. To some of us 150 is a good bit of money and helps a good bit especially when blowing so much money on a supercharger lol 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Appreciate that mate, TBH if it's cash in hand I'm more than happy to pay a good tradesman £150 a day. I'm not expecting him to kill himself either. I honestly expected it to take 2 days but he did it in one day. So by your own admission he did a good job and is a good tradesman, yes? And you'd be happy to pay a good tradesman £150 a day, also yes? And you expected him to take two days, still yes? Now maths isn't my strong point, but I think I see a slight flaw in your argument here... I genuinely wouldn't get out of bed for £150 a day unless it was something I was seriously interested in. Like dressing Mila Kunis. With my tongue. I can sympathise with your argument here, I honestly can. But it's all about integrity! After all why would I "need" to pay him the £300 if he did it in one day, after he suggested it would take two. Fair point? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanzed Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 Makes me f#cking mad when I see comments about so called rip off tradesmen. I am a self employed plumber,heating intaller and Gas Registered intaller. Every five years i have to undertake training and assessments at my cost to carrying out gas work.So thats a week not earning money but shelling out. I pay to register with Gas Safe anually I pay public liability insurance. I did 5 years apprentiship on crap money. I pay an accountant to do my books. I have a van full of expensive tools some of which need replacing on a regular basis. I go and survey jobs which I may never get at no cost to the prospective client. I come to you to do my work. I am sorry if some of think I dont deserve to make a decent livng. There is a difference between me and some site monkey who does a bit of work on the side. Dont tar us all with the same brush!! While I am having a rant I have seen another thread on this forum where members were encouraging others to fit their own boilers including gas work "after all its only plumbing" Totally bloody irresponsible!! Would you be happy if your neighbour carried out his own gas work? I have only read the first two pages of this thread so this post may not be in context to comments made recently. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 I can sympathise with your argument here, I honestly can. But it's all about integrity! After all why would I "need" to pay him the £300 if he did it in one day, after he suggested it would take two. Fair point? It is, but again you're paying for the job, not the time taken. You got a day less hassle out of it, too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanzed Posted February 5, 2013 Share Posted February 5, 2013 If someone gives you a qoute to do a job and you except then thats the price you pay regardless. Would the OP have paid him more if he had taken 3 days?.Hell no!! Both parties are taking a risk with a qoute. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 Makes me f#cking mad when I see comments about so called rip off tradesmen. I am a self employed plumber,heating intaller and Gas Registered intaller. Every five years i have to undertake training and assessments at my cost to carrying out gas work.So thats a week not earning money but shelling out. I pay to register with Gas Safe anually I pay public liability insurance. I did 5 years apprentiship on crap money. I pay an accountant to do my books. I have a van full of expensive tools some of which need replacing on a regular basis. I go and survey jobs which I may never get at no cost to the prospective client. I come to you to do my work. I am sorry if some of think I dont deserve to make a decent livng. There is a difference between me and some site monkey who does a bit of work on the side. Dont tar us all with the same brush!! While I am having a rant I have seen another thread on this forum where members were encouraging others to fit their own boilers including gas work "after all its only plumbing" Totally bloody irresponsible!! Would you be happy if your neighbour carried out his own gas work? I have only read the first two pages of this thread so this post may not be in context to comments made recently. I agree with most of your post, but every professional nowadays have to update there qualifications, pay to register with there professional body etc etc. Also most folk have to travel to work in there own cars and supply there own equipment but they don't charge £300 a day for labour. Have a read at my previous post regarding work colleagues that I have such as surgeons who earn £76k a year, which is less than £300 a day and they still have tax, insurance, travel, registration, etc to pay. Then tell me that a joiner should charge the same to do a side, cash in hand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 If someone gives you a qoute to do a job and you except then thats the price you pay regardless. Would the OP have paid him more if he had taken 3 days?.Hell no!! Both parties are taking a risk with a qoute. Ok, so you take your zed in to a garage to get some work done, they quote you a price, then you found out it was an easier fix after all and only took half the time. Would you be pi**ed if you still had to pay the same labour charge. Bearing in mind that the garage does that type of work day in, day out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuarty Posted February 5, 2013 Author Share Posted February 5, 2013 I can sympathise with your argument here, I honestly can. But it's all about integrity! After all why would I "need" to pay him the £300 if he did it in one day, after he suggested it would take two. Fair point? It is, but again you're paying for the job, not the time taken. You got a day less hassle out of it, too! Integrity!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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