Ebized Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Seems to me it would all work better if the teams were allowed to choose from the full range of tyres on offer with the construction/compound kept the same for the year but with a maximum number of sets and no mandatory change, and let them get on with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted May 26, 2013 Share Posted May 26, 2013 Less than an hour to go and really looking forwards to this. BTW, let's hope we don't get a start like this, Fridays GP2 race. Pete Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 More F1 bullsh*t. What's your take? http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22999260 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Perhaps the FIA should rename themselves to MBIA On second thoughts, if they had made a harsher decision then they would have had to follow suit with Ferrari as they were hardly whiter than white with their testing....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted June 22, 2013 Share Posted June 22, 2013 Waste of time and money. I suspect Charlie Whiting got the biggest bollocking behind closed doors, it's basically his fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
350 Russ Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 surely all these punctures cant be debris, could end up being another pirelli issue Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Utter farce. If I was Pirelli, I'd be pulling out of the sport ASAP to prevent further damage to the brand. Okay, so us enthusiasts know P Zeroes are crap, but the general public don't and may buy them on the strength of F1. Not any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
csscallum Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 This time next year Rodney... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 This time next year Rodney... Brilliant :lol: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 What annoyed me most about the race was the last 8 laps. Best bit of racing we've seen all year, and purely down to the fact that most drivers didn't have to worry about their tyres! Just get rid of these silly things, run two compounds by all means but make either one capable of lasting 2/3 of a race. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 Maybe this is more to do with Silverstone's kerb at turn 4 when you consider the way the rear tyre would be crossing the raised sections identified. Notice how the punctures stopped once the teams warned their drivers about the issue. Also, it is known that teams run lower pressures than Pirelli state (to help grip) and with a slightly more 'squashed' footprint on lower pressures it makes them more vulnerable. So maybe Pirelli might not be the one to blame this time, but I agree it's about time the sport got the current situation with tyres sorted out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AJRFulton Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) Another GP, and yet again Pirelli are main talking point. Pirelli, must be hating it as it's all negative publicity. I'm actually disappointed that no team had the bollocks to make a stand on principle and retire their cars on safety grounds, having lost all confidence in the tyres. Regardless of what was causing it, there was a very clear safety concern out there. It was luck there was no major incident as a result! Edited June 30, 2013 by Badgeronimous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnH Posted June 30, 2013 Share Posted June 30, 2013 (edited) My brother had a good spot for it today: Lucky git. My brother obviously, not Hamilton! Edited June 30, 2013 by HaydnH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Maybe this is more to do with Silverstone's kerb at turn 4 when you consider the way the rear tyre would be crossing the raised sections identified. Notice how the punctures stopped once the teams warned their drivers about the issue. Also, it is known that teams run lower pressures than Pirelli state (to help grip) and with a slightly more 'squashed' footprint on lower pressures it makes them more vulnerable. So maybe Pirelli might not be the one to blame this time, but I agree it's about time the sport got the current situation with tyres sorted out. Perhaps, but when teams ran at the 2psi extra the tyres were delaminating in the middle, just as you'd expect from an overinflated tyre. I believe that Pirelli have designed the current batch around the fact that most teams run them low anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Interesting that on commentary they mentioned a lot of the major teams have complained and asked Pirelli to change construction but teams such as Force India have blocked the change due to the fact they are actually getting some decent results because of the tyre. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbeast35 Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 Maybe this is more to do with Silverstone's kerb at turn 4 when you consider the way the rear tyre would be crossing the raised sections identified. Notice how the punctures stopped once the teams warned their drivers about the issue. Also, it is known that teams run lower pressures than Pirelli state (to help grip) and with a slightly more 'squashed' footprint on lower pressures it makes them more vulnerable. So maybe Pirelli might not be the one to blame this time, but I agree it's about time the sport got the current situation with tyres sorted out. Perhaps, but when teams ran at the 2psi extra the tyres were delaminating in the middle, just as you'd expect from an overinflated tyre. I believe that Pirelli have designed the current batch around the fact that most teams run them low anyway. agree with you both but lets not forget and i think that i'm right in saying this, the curb in question wasn't a new feature for this years race so why wasn't it an issue last season or the season before, it still points to the fact that pirelli just haven't got the compounds/construction right on this years tyres 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 1, 2013 Share Posted July 1, 2013 I don't blame Pirelli at all, I blame this exclusively on FOM. They wanted crap tyres, now they've got them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beavis Posted July 2, 2013 Author Share Posted July 2, 2013 Kevlar belts for this weekend in the rear tyres and 2012 spec tyres from the Hungarian gp onwards. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23141389 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Seen the Pirelli press release? They're blaming the teams for running the tyres on the wrong side... 'A SERIES OF DIFFERENT CAUSES LED TO THE TYRE FAILURES AT SILVERSTONE: REAR TYRES MOUNTED THE WRONG WAY ROUND, LOW TYRE PRESSURES, EXTREME CAMBERS AND HIGH KERBS 'THE 2013 TYRES DO NOT COMPROMISE SAFETY IF USED IN THE CORRECT WAY 'TO DEVELOP AND MANAGE SOPHISTICATED TYRES SUCH AS THOSE USED IN 2013, IT IS ESSENTIAL TO HAVE ACCESS TO REAL TIME TYRE OPERATING DATA. CHANGE IN THE RULES HAS BEEN REQUESTED 'ARRANGED WITH FIA WINTER TEST AND DURING THE SEASON FOR THE DEVELOPMENT OF THE TYRES THE KEVLAR BELT REAR TYRES TESTED IN FREE PRACTICE IN CANADA WILL BE USED IN GERMANY 'FROM HUNGARY THERE WILL BE A NEW RANGE OF TYRES, WHICH COMBINES THE 2012 STRUCTURES WITH THE 2013 COMPOUNDS. THESE WILL BE TESTED AT SILVERSTONE, USING THE RACE DRIVERS AND 2013 CARS, DURING THE YOUNG DRIVER TEST 'PAUL HEMBERY: "WHAT HAPPENED AT SILVERSTONE UPSETS US. WITH THESE SOPHISTICATED TYRES IT'S VITAL FOR US TO SEE DATA SUCH AS TEMPERATURE, PRESSURES AND CAMBER. WHILE WAITING FOR A REVISION TO THE RULES, WE WILL SUPPLY TYRES THAT ARE EASIER TO MANAGE." Apologies for the crap c+p. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 Unbelievable that Pirelli would suggest that F1 teams can't put tyres on the right way round, is that really true, i don't watch it enough anymore to know what's really going on? Having said that I did watch the race this weekend and agree with Dan's earlier comment that the last few laps were the most exciting racing I've seen for a long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnH Posted July 2, 2013 Share Posted July 2, 2013 (edited) WTF? Seriously? What F1 team in their right mind would put tyres on the wrong way without testing and being 100% sure it would a) give them an advantage and b ) get them to the end of the race when there's X millions and a competitive racing season on the line... let alone 6 teams all making the same stupid mistake. IMHO Pirelli need to back that comment up quickly to avoid even more bad press. EDIT: Changed to b ) to avoid the cool smiley... grrrr... EDIT2: OH FFS re: cool smiley! Edited July 2, 2013 by HaydnH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 It's very telling that none of the teams have come out and denied it. They would've been very quick to do so if Pirelli were wrong. I have no doubt that if they thought it might give them an advantage, they'd run them the wrong way round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13KYF Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 I thought Pirelli mounted the tyres to the rims and not the teams. You saw at silverstone the Pirelli tyre fitting station Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnH Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Look slike Pirelli back tracked slightly: http://www.theweek.co.uk/formula-1/f1-2013/53936/pirelli-tyres-explode-british-grand-prix-row The company's statement explained that its rear tyres were designed to be used only on one side of the vehicle. "The tyres have an asymmetric structure, which means that they are not designed to be interchangeable," it revealed. The implication was that the tyres that failed were being used on the wrong side of the car. But Pirelli also accepted that switching tyres was not forbidden and said it had "underestimated" how significant it could be. I guess if you have a clockwise/anticlockwise track you'd want to swap tyres around at certain times as the outside tyre would incur more wear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveBoy Posted July 3, 2013 Share Posted July 3, 2013 Using tyres the wrong way round isn't anything new, read: http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/22762318 Gary Anderson writes about it and if you scroll down to "nothing really changes" and the paragraph above its quite interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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