ddcboyle Posted October 29, 2012 Author Share Posted October 29, 2012 just out of curiosity are you going to be doing a course on wrapping, i appreciate you've done your own car and know a lot more than i or most people here do through teaching yourself but a course of some kind could be very beneficial in that you may learn a technique or method that you wouldn't have done otherwise plus it may give potential customers a little more peace of mind if you had some kind of qualification/certificate not putting you down at all, i think its a brave move to go it on your own and fairplay to you Yep, getting booked into 3 separate courses over next few months since I'm sure theres areas i haven't tried and will need a few tips. By the time the business has started late 2013, should have plenty of qualifications under me and experience. The way I'm working the wrapping is, if i don't meet a standard you require which would be expected from vinyl wrapping, i would either rewrap or the vinyl would be removed and a full refund would be given back, so there would be no lost cost on the customers behalf. I've already experienced bad circumstances with a vinyl garage, and is still ongoing case which is going to be pushed through a court. So i wouldn't want anyone going through the same situation over the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 (edited) Quick note : If you were wanting us to travel to you, there would need to be a covered area such as canopy/garage with a plug socket and lighting until we have started to get supplies such as our own canopy, generator and lighting. If you were to travel to mine, in ruislip, we can do the car in our own garage. Prices will vary dependant on car/panel How much for a 350 in just a standard wrap i.e. solid colour Still browsing through prices at the moment, dont want to do silly price like some garages. The ones ive been to is about 1,5-2k and their job was absolutely w**k, so i'd be most likely doing the same price for better finish as the customer should be getting. If people are looking at getting car wrapped, but not by me, PM me and ill let you know the 2 garages that were appauling. Errr........I was enjoying reading this thread about someone starting up a business from scratch and providing a better service than the supposed pro's.......until I read the above post. I have no idea how you think you are going to be able to justify charging exactly the same as established business' when you can't even provide your own canopy if you have to go to the customer, irrespective of the quality of your work. Do you have some kind of professional indemnity insurance? What if you totally destroy someones paint? What if you need to move someones car and crash it whilst doing so? You may have all of the above sorted but you've not mentioned anything like it in your posts. The big company's may charge £1.5k to £2k but they also need to cover things like insurance, premises, staff, VAT, materials and still try to make a profit. From your posts, it seems like your gonna do it in someones borrowed garage and just wing it. Simply saying you'd refund me wouldn't be enough for me. I'd happily let you do some small interior pieces but not a whole car and certainly not for the same price as a professional. I personally think that this site also needs to consider it's position in allowing you to trade here knowing that your not even remotely qualified and only vaguely experienced at the moment. I don't want to rain on your parade intentionally but I don't think that a lot of thought has been put into this you or the people that have ok'd allowing you to offer specialised expert services on this site, that your not qualified to do. Edited October 29, 2012 by Sarnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted October 29, 2012 Share Posted October 29, 2012 Perhaps not quite so vociferously but I've got to agree with the earl of sandwich.......it's one thing critiquing a competitor......it's another wrapping 1 car and thinking your billy big bollocks so you can charge the same money. Start small, chuck a couple of good deals about, whore your work all over the forum THEN start charging big bucks and casting your (proven) expert opinion of your peers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 As stated earlier, it is not a business. Therefore i dont have the tools until i open a business. I charge what i think is right, the garages i refer to are garages i have been to, one of which are "professionals" yet i can do a better job than that selected garage. Simply because they are a garage doesnt mean they are good, nor will you get the money back for a dodgy job as im finding out with the garage im specifically talking about. Yes, theres no insurance, and i have no staff nor business, It is not an official business. Its people coming to me to wrap their car. I dont bodge job it and blag that its how vinyl is, no refund, im a bloke, getting some examples of work, to then open a business if all goes well. As for scratching paint work etc, i've already told those ive spoken to, if they want to watch, feel free. i highly doubt many "professionals" offer that. i understand theres criticisms, but i am not a business. I dont pressure people to choose me. They know im not a business, its their choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) As stated earlier, it is not a business. Therefore i dont have the tools until i open a business. I charge what i think is right, the garages i refer to are garages i have been to, one of which are "professionals" yet i can do a better job than that selected garage. Simply because they are a garage doesnt mean they are good, nor will you get the money back for a dodgy job as im finding out with the garage im specifically talking about. Yes, theres no insurance, and i have no staff nor business, It is not an official business. Its people coming to me to wrap their car. I dont bodge job it and blag that its how vinyl is, no refund, im a bloke, getting some examples of work, to then open a business if all goes well. As for scratching paint work etc, i've already told those ive spoken to, if they want to watch, feel free. i highly doubt many "professionals" offer that. i understand theres criticisms, but i am not a business. I dont pressure people to choose me. They know im not a business, its their choice. If you charge people, your a business. Whether officially or not. Unless your a charity and doing it out of the goodness of your heart?? You may very well provide a better standard of finish than other so called professionals but that doesn't mean you can charge the same as them. People like Tarmac, RT Biscuit & Husky have started by doing a few things as favours on here to test the water and most likely did for free/at cost initially. Then once they had numerous satisfied clients they were able to build on this reputation to become successful Member traders. If your as good as you say you are then I have no doubt that you will be successful it's just that some of your responses worry me, especially with regards to indemnity insurance and your intentions to charge the same as as established company. I reckon my Sausage & Mash is better than Jamie Oliver's that doesn't mean I can start knocking it up in my kitchen and flogging it to passers by for £40 a pop.......... I wish you good luck, I really do. Unfortunately most start up business' fail within the first 18 months due to starting off on the wrong tracks. My points are mean't to be constructive and hopefully it's taken that way Edited October 30, 2012 by Sarnie Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Certainly agree with some of the above - if you're going to do this, you MUST get indemnity insurance - I do thermal heat loss calculations and took out said insurance - it costs £200 / year and gives me £5 mill cover - look it up, its worth it for peace of mine and reassurance to your customers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 As stated earlier, it is not a business. Therefore i dont have the tools until i open a business. I charge what i think is right, the garages i refer to are garages i have been to, one of which are "professionals" yet i can do a better job than that selected garage. Simply because they are a garage doesnt mean they are good, nor will you get the money back for a dodgy job as im finding out with the garage im specifically talking about. Yes, theres no insurance, and i have no staff nor business, It is not an official business. Its people coming to me to wrap their car. I dont bodge job it and blag that its how vinyl is, no refund, im a bloke, getting some examples of work, to then open a business if all goes well. As for scratching paint work etc, i've already told those ive spoken to, if they want to watch, feel free. i highly doubt many "professionals" offer that. i understand theres criticisms, but i am not a business. I dont pressure people to choose me. They know im not a business, its their choice. If you charge people, your a business. Whether officially or not. Unless your a charity and doing it out of the goodness of your heart?? You may very well provide a better standard of finish than other so called professionals but that doesn't mean you can charge the same as them. People like Tarmac, RT Biscuit & Husky have started by doing a few things as favours on here to test the water and most likely did for free/at cost initially. Then once they had numerous satisfied clients they were able to build on this reputation to become successful Member traders. If your as good as you say you are then I have no doubt that you will be successful it's just that some of your responses worry me, especially with regards to indemnity insurance and your intentions to charge the same as as established company. I reckon my Sausage & Mash is better than Jamie Oliver's that doesn't mean I can start knocking it up in my kitchen and flogging it to passers by for £40 a pop.......... I wish you good luck, I really do. Unfortunately most start up business' fail within the first 18 months due to starting off on the wrong tracks. My points are mean't to be constructive and hopefully it's taken that way ill take your points onboard, im aware there will be others with the same opinion but not mentioning. I have no business understanding so will need to get myself to an advisor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) Will be looking at doing 5 peoples roofs for free (if vinyl provided) or £40 if i provide vinyl. If anyones intrested it would involve coming over to my place in ruislip over a set weekend (either a fri, sat or sun of the same weekend) Anyone intrested? 1. 350Ad 2. ewan221 3. 4. 5. Edited October 30, 2012 by ddcboyle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jumping350 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Will be looking at doing 5 peoples roofs for free (if vinyl provided) or £40 if i provide vinyl. If anyones intrested it would involve coming over to my place in ruislip over a set weekend (either a fri, sat or sun of the same weekend) Anyone intrested? 1. possibly filled 2. 3. 4. 5. Top offer if i hadnt already had it done i would be straight up Just for some peoples ease of mind ive gone up to have my roof done we spent a couple of hours i supplied my own vinyl and helped and job was a gooden and still is so just a vouch from me really to help the process i can put some pics up aswell to show his workmanship if needed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Absolutely the right thing to do - good price as well as DJTimo will attest........wrapping a roof isn't as easy as you might think! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Absolutely the right thing to do - good price as well as DJTimo will attest +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ewan221 Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Will be looking at doing 5 peoples roofs for free (if vinyl provided) or £40 if i provide vinyl. If anyones intrested it would involve coming over to my place in ruislip over a set weekend (either a fri, sat or sun of the same weekend) Anyone intrested? 1. possibly filled 2. 3. 4. 5. Great offer, bit to far for me though lol. Will get you to sort mine when u next in Scotland Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Great offer, bit to far for me though lol. Will get you to sort mine when u next in Scotland as i already spoke to you before i posted this, ill do same for you when im in scotland mate Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 If you'd like to give me a bell some time i don't mind sitting down withyo you on the phone and going through some business setup things. might give you a good idea and some starting points. Some very knowledgable people i would reccomend trying to have a chat to, would be sarnie and tarmac. tarmac set his business upabout 12 months ago and is making good progress. and as i've found sarnie has indepth knowledge of most things financially orientated and gives an honest and frank answer. I would say have a chat with a range of traders on here; alot will have advice and things to watch and what some of the common pitfalls are. if you pm me i'll send you my mobile number, or discuss via pm. might give you some starting points and some ideas of things to ask others for advice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 If you'd like to give me a bell some time i don't mind sitting down withyo you on the phone and going through some business setup things. might give you a good idea and some starting points. Some very knowledgable people i would reccomend trying to have a chat to, would be sarnie and tarmac. tarmac set his business upabout 12 months ago and is making good progress. and as i've found sarnie has indepth knowledge of most things financially orientated and gives an honest and frank answer. I would say have a chat with a range of traders on here; alot will have advice and things to watch and what some of the common pitfalls are. if you pm me i'll send you my mobile number, or discuss via pm. might give you some starting points and some ideas of things to ask others for advice. Nice offer Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Have sent a PM rich Im up for all advice given, maybe should have taken business studies up in school afterall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 my engineering degree saw to it that i did project management, competitive manufacturing, and Total quality management. so don;t have a full on business degree, but i have a good idea of how things work, and the rest i've picked up on the way or from talking to more knowledgable people. I started my business as a hobby, and as soon as it stops being fun i'll close it. i wanted a new challenge and to learn new things. since then i've improved my PS skills, learnt how to keep books. desinged a website and dealt with lots of people. and its been good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I had a read through this thread, it looks like you have good intentions and are willing to listen to advice, so good luck Just wondered though, are you planning a 'Three Kings' style raid prior to leaving Afganistan? ....I'll be looking into doing vinyl wrapping as a business (possibly) in 2013, so until I get the lump sum cash from afghan to start it up..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 I had a read through this thread, it looks like you have good intentions and are willing to listen to advice, so good luck Just wondered though, are you planning a 'Three Kings' style raid prior to leaving Afganistan? ....I'll be looking into doing vinyl wrapping as a business (possibly) in 2013, so until I get the lump sum cash from afghan to start it up..... haha, i think the most id be able to raid is 2 camels and a few bags of sand, but if youve gave me good luck ill send a bar in the post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroy Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 I had a read through this thread, it looks like you have good intentions and are willing to listen to advice, so good luck Just wondered though, are you planning a 'Three Kings' style raid prior to leaving Afganistan? ....I'll be looking into doing vinyl wrapping as a business (possibly) in 2013, so until I get the lump sum cash from afghan to start it up..... haha, i think the most id be able to raid is 2 camels and a few bags of sand, but if youve gave me good luck ill send a bar in the post Look forward to receiving it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRF4N Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 +1. I was thinking there are various people on here who could give tips in different aspects to starting up a business but that's a top offer from biscuit Great community we have here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LRF4N Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 That +1 was to ebized. Didn't realise there was another page of posts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogyRev Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 Free Roof Wrap..... does that include travel? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddcboyle Posted October 30, 2012 Author Share Posted October 30, 2012 Free Roof Wrap..... does that include travel? lol depends where you are Im in west london, and travel to scotland once every few months. So if your anywhere near edinburgh or uxbridge, I can pop along Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogyRev Posted October 30, 2012 Share Posted October 30, 2012 If you go to Edinburgh, turn left, you will eventually get to me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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