Husky Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 If there is not a correctly worded sign, then there is no legally binding contract, therefore it is NOT illegal in any way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Look forward to you getting a reply, it will be the usual ***** who cant string two sentences together though, so it probably isnt fair game I would question the use of "encryption" in the working around the date/time in the photo. I suggest what you really want in "embedded" data/timestamp. If it were encrypted then you wouldnt be able to read it Either way having the date/time in a photo is bollox anyway as its easy to forge in the actual photo and/or the metadata attached to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 Look forward to you getting a reply, it will be the usual ***** who cant string two sentences together though, so it probably isnt fair game I would question the use of "encryption" in the working around the date/time in the photo. I suggest what you really want in "embedded" data/timestamp. If it were encrypted then you wouldnt be able to read it Either way having the date/time in a photo is bollox anyway as its easy to forge in the actual photo and/or the metadata attached to it. Bugger that was the damn word I was trying to think of. To be honest Chris the main tactic with these emails is to use words that are as complex and technical sounding as possible so encryption should do the trick even if its not strictly acurate. If these mongtards can forge a photo then you know what I'll literally pay the full whack of the fine out of shear impressednesnesnensness. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbitstew Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 Excellent reply there mate, i look forward to hearing what happens next! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodder Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 interesting, i really should read up on this sort of thing as i know of a few people who have got tickets even when they believed they were complying with the rules for the site. GF's brother got two overturned that were issued by the council as there were problems with the Pay and Display machines either printing the wrong ticket or out of service. I'm sure this will end in the way you would want and expect, I think sometimes they issue them regardless as i bet most people will moan but stump up. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 The main problem parking enforcement companies have with me is the fact that I always work on the basis of 'I've lost' so then I set my mind to making sure I have at least £120 of amusement from causing them grief. If they back down great I get amusement and no fine, if they don't I get to go to court and see how things happen there. Its only a civil hearing so its not like you get any criminal charges. I'd probably pay £120 to go and see how a civil court works. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 If they back down great I get amusement and no fine, It's not a Fine It's a Charge Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 It's not a charge, it's an invoice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 It's not a charge, it's an invoice I know, I know I thought you lot were supposed to be mongs and you'd get confused if I started on the technical terms. According to Maxi I'm breaking the law never mind not paying an invoice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 You'll be bending over before Big Black Bubba before you know it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) You'll be bending over before Big Black Bubba before you know it! God willing Edited October 18, 2012 by Ricey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 God willing Just in case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 (edited) The term the British Parking Association instructs it's members to use is "Charge", so it is in fact a charge. It is also an invoice, yes. Edited October 18, 2012 by Husky Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squee Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 When do we get to the part where you threaten to put dog mess through their letterbox? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted October 18, 2012 Author Share Posted October 18, 2012 When do we get to the part where you threaten to put dog mess through their letterbox? That's exactly what they want you to do. Stay professional and polite and they're screwed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vik54 Posted October 18, 2012 Share Posted October 18, 2012 on you go Paul! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 Got a response and some piccies. Hunted the owner of the company down on the internet just to put the wind up him.........hiding behind 'Customer Service Manager'.....give me a break! From: Appeals [mailto:Appeals@cpsnorthern.co.uk] Sent: 12 November 2012 15:24 To: Paul Rice Subject: RE: PCN 11162 Dear Paul, Thank you for your letter of appeal. Please accept our apologies in not replying sooner whilst we collated our evidence. Your vehicle was parked in an area clearly signed ‘No parking.’ The signs across the site which are numerous and visible state that parking is permitted in ‘own allocated bays only.’ There is also additional signage stating that parking is for residents only. If you are a resident of the site then you will have an allocated bay and you must only park in this bay. I have attached two of the photographs which were taken on this day which show your vehicle parked under the arches on the gravel area. This area is sign posted as a no parking area and is not a parking space that has been allocated for your use. The photographs taken are time and date stamped. The area you parked is strictly a no parking area and we have the authority of the landlord (The racecourse) to operate parking regulations in this area. This agreement is legal and law abiding and will be available should a court of law request to see it. We require payment of the parking charge at the reduced rate of £50 within the next seven days. If payment is not received within the next seven days then the charge will increase to the full rate of £80 and will not be discounted. If we are required to write to you again after 28 days from the receipt of this email then the parking charge will have increased to £110 as explained on the reverse of your parking charge. Please make payment by telephoning 0161 870 7171. Alternatively you may send a cheque or postal order made payable to CPS Enforcement (Northern) Limited, PO Box 198, Bolton, BL1 9AW. Yours Sincerely, Customer Service Manager My email back copying in the PR manager for the racecourse; Thank you Mr Foster, Just to clarify the signage on the wall – that’s definitely not just been stuck when you took the picture has it? Because it isn’t here……..taken from Google Streetmap dated June 2012. It isn’t here either – taken earlier today Notwithstanding this I believe my position is defensible in court. This is not clearly demarcated as a no parking zone as it is not marked as such (for example yellow hatching). Equally it has been deliberately gravelled, has a dropped kerb in front of it, is in constant use by vehicles as a supplementary parking zone for the Elan development and has no signage demarcating it as a ‘no parking zone’. Additionally the utilisation presents no blockage, detriment to the public, other land users or the land owner – the ‘charge’ is therefore disproportionate to any injury caused. The signage (if it was there) which sets out terms but does not demarcate this area as a no parking zone is not adequately lit and therefore should one park there in the dark it would be unreadable which would render one party to any perceived contract unable to agree to the terms. I am confident that no contract exists and that based on genuine and reasonable assumptions that this was an area for supplementary unallocated parking for visitors to the Elan site, no breach of any terms you set out in your signage could have existed anyway (based on my recent review of the signage). Moving forward I am now on notice that this is a ‘no parking’ zone. I shall refrain from doing so in future. Emma – I believe you work in PR/Press I have copied you in as your agent (CPS Northern) has engaged myself regarding a Parking Charge as per the email chain below. As a faithful and regular customer of the Race Course as its associated companies I would ask that some sensible discretion is exercised in this instance to avoid any bad feeing/unnecessary court action and would recommend some appropriate signage is erected to avoid this issue occurring again. I have no history of this being an issue with yourselves – it was a genuine misunderstanding of which I am now well appraised. I do appreciate the time taken to review this situation from you both and I would like to say particularly to Mr Foster that the professional and non-confrontational responses I have received from his company (whilst I conclusively disagree with them). I look forward to your responses and I hope you can understand my position. Kind regards Paul 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilp Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 hahaha I love reading your work Paul! Once again- a sterling performance! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Awesome Ricey (as always) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyranchers Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Genius ! Keep us posted Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogyRev Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 You deserve a Nut for that reply Ricey Ok maybe save it for later 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted November 20, 2012 Author Share Posted November 20, 2012 Mmmmmm nuts Om..........nom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bounty Bar Kid Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 pmsl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will370z Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Nice work, go get em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bronzee Posted November 21, 2012 Share Posted November 21, 2012 Places like this must absolutely hate correspondents like you. You go get 'em! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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