wizard Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Okay so a mate of mine just brought a 2006 997 Turbo (manual transmission). It only has an exhaust and a map on it and is pushing (we reckon) above 550bhp. What an amazing car in every single way, other then it doesn't sound as good as my zed and has that pointless clock in the middle?!! - Great traction, great looks, reliable, well built. There is very little to dislike about this car. I have not driven or been driven in a car with so much power that has so little lag. R35 is similar, but I think even that has a little more lag...? - It's almost as responsive as my s/c zed, but defo has much more power! Fantastic car, one to keep an eye on me thinks...? P.S. I think he's planning to tune this to 750bhp with stock internals. That will be epic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Check out torque and power curves for the 997T, variable vane turbos are the tits. Not a great deal on the road thats as fast, I still prefer GTR myself though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 I thought I did as well until I sat in this car. Didn't want to drive it because it was raining at the time... For me, it would come down to whether I wanted a manual or auto car. With porsche, you have the option. And also, another mates warranty claim for his THIRD GT-R gearbox is still pending... which has put me off a little as well (his car is fairly stock... and no, he hasn't been launching it at every traffic light.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 These remind me so much of R35's. I know they are awesome and I really want to love them; but I just can't. I look at them and there isn't even a slight flicker of 'want'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Thats what gets me about 911 variants, they just look so normal and mundane, there is no visual desirability with them for me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 For me, it would come down to whether I wanted a manual or auto car. With porsche, you have the option. You have three options on the 997: Manual, auto or PDK. Never been in an FI 911, I do keep looking at 996 GT2s though. Would love a 997 version. But they're out of my price range and I think there's only 1 UK car with the PCM3, which I'd consider a must-have on a 997. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R35LEE Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 We do tune's and track prep for Porsche 997T's We recently did a customers car to 650bhp and it was a flying machine. Make sure you check the condition of the rads before doing any big tuning though as they are a well know failure item. Take a look at 'Falcon Performance' on facebook and under Porsche Pics there should be a few getting new rads in. I think we have done around 10-12 cars in the last year with the same issues. A great car and I really want a gen2 one at the moment in baby blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 We do tune's and track prep for Porsche 997T's We recently did a customers car to 650bhp and it was a flying machine. Make sure you check the condition of the rads before doing any big tuning though as they are a well know failure item. Take a look at 'Falcon Performance' on facebook and under Porsche Pics there should be a few getting new rads in. I think we have done around 10-12 cars in the last year with the same issues. A great car and I really want a gen2 one at the moment in baby blue Yeah that's the colour my friend has. Best colour for that car by far. Only issue for the gen 2 I'm told is that you cannot push the pdk box past 600bhp due to its shaft design? - There's currently no solution for it at the moment? How do you think it compares to the R35 GTR Lee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R35LEE Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I have to say I prefer the Porsche. a GT-R is a flying machine too but it feels cheap compared to the Porsche (because it is) and Porsche parts are actually cheaper than GT-R bits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Only issue for the gen 2 I'm told is that you cannot push the pdk box past 600bhp due to its shaft design? - There's currently no solution for it at the moment? Correct, and it's driving the tuning guys in the US nuts! It's more the torque than the power though, as that's what kills gearboxes. I don't think the PDK is a weak 'box, it's the electronic controls that are getting in a faff and reigning the output in. Anyone can engineer a stronger shaft, but decoding specialist gearbox electrics is a little more specialised. It will happen eventually, but probably on the 991 rather than the 997. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Would love a 996 turbo with x51 is it? They are still expensive. They don't look that hard to work on either. One day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Yup, X51 is the powerpack, gives it the same power as a Turbo S. £25K for one of those is an utter bargain of a car. They're not too bad to work on, it's when you start having issues with coolant pipes it can get a bit pricey as it's an engine out job. Most other stuff can be gotten at just by removing the rear bumper and exhaust bits. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 My other mate has an 650bhp+ 996 turbo as well. It's an utter beast!!! The 997 really is an evolution to his car though. We're all mates and have tested the cars over. Can't complain that Porsche only just modernised the new car, they've changed many other things. The traction control systems, and lots of other things I don't understand! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I still prefer the 996 to the 997 I drove, it might be more modern but I dont know that its better .......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 Not sure how you drove it. The ride on the 997 is much more compliant, and the handling is much better, the turbo's are much more responsive, not to mention it's looks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 As long as the 997 doesn't have those awful turbo wheels! I really like the 996 turbo looks wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Not sure how you drove it. The ride on the 997 is much more compliant, and the handling is much better, the turbo's are much more responsive, not to mention it's looks... Both pretty much flat out, the 7 felt nervous and a little detached from the road where the 6 felt like I was invincible (125 mph off the M11 - A11 if anyone knows it), this is comparing a C2S 997 with a C4S 996, it may have been alignment or something but I really didnt feel comfortable caning it. I also prefer 996 interiors but I think Im alone on that one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Alignment can do a lot to these cars. Mine felt all wafty and dull on Porsche-spec settings until I got it properly sorted, and now it's an absolute hoot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R35LEE Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 The 996T is a stronger unit too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wizard Posted July 17, 2012 Author Share Posted July 17, 2012 The 996T is a stronger unit too you mean engine? Not according to switzer performance it ain't. 997 block can handle upwards of 800bhp stock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R35LEE Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Seen way more 997T's fail than 996T'S with standard internals. If you want to come and see us for tuning I have dropped you a PM with my number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 996 and 997.1 turbos share the same engine, the Mezger unit. Both as strong as houses, albeit with slight differences but essentially it's the same engine. The 997.2 runs a DFI engine which is a completely different design. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rabbitstew Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Just looking at what these go for on Autotrader and maybe I should have bought one of these instead of my 123d. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R35LEE Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 Think I have some pics on my pc of a 997T lump with some awesome piston holes somewhere. I shall have a quick look Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted July 17, 2012 Share Posted July 17, 2012 I just don't understand the numbering system is a 997 a 911 ???? or is it a 986 or something else ???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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