JetSet Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Different sized tyres on the rears....surely this would mean that the differential would be spinning constantly at different speeds on each axle? that can't be a good thing. Also, I'd have thought the TC would have complained about it Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisingPower Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Different sized tyres on the rears....surely this would mean that the differential would be spinning constantly at different speeds on each axle? that can't be a good thing. Also, I'd have thought the TC would have complained about it Pete Yeah i'd be surprised if tc wasn't lighting up like a christmas tree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJJH Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 HOLY C**P!!!!! how did i not notice mismatched tyres?? Good spot guys!! i thought there was something weird about the tread patterns, but i couldn't figure it out, it hadn't even occurred to me that i could have fronts and rears mixed. the garage where the car currently resides fitted my tyres, they also fitted my brake upgrade. where do i go from here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 **EDIT** Think I would be taking some legal advice before I did anything else. Sue their sorry arses? HOLY C**P!!!!! how did i not notice mismatched tyres?? Good spot guys!! i thought there was something weird about the tread patterns, but i couldn't figure it out, it hadn't even occurred to me that i could have fronts and rears mixed. the garage where the car currently resides fitted my tyres, they also fitted my brake upgrade. where do i go from here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 You get me to write them a letter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Seconded (god help them) You get me to write them a letter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasso Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 Seconded (god help them) You get me to write them a letter Thirded! I'd probably start with "See that damaged car in your garage, YOU DID THAT now fix it!!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJJH Posted May 31, 2012 Author Share Posted May 31, 2012 You get me to write them a letter why's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 His letters of complaint are legendary, the man is a born champion of the underdog, I'm sure he'll be along soon with some examples, well I hope he is cos I can't find them You get me to write them a letter why's that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KyleR Posted May 31, 2012 Share Posted May 31, 2012 This is complicated. If it had of happened int he road there may be a legal issue, even then it may be your responsibility to check the work and confirm it is satisfactory by paying for it. With it having happened on a track outside of normal driving situations, you may not have a leg to stand on due to the fact that the mix matched tyres would have performed safely although not perfectly in road conditions. I'd still be giving it a go though, and seeing what can be done about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnH Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 You get me to write them a letter -1, I'd get legal advice first, if they say there's nothing that can be done then go the Ricey route... I wouldn't hang about though! OH - and get some easier to read photo's showing the mistake ASAP! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakes100 Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I would be getting it fixed by another garage personally, as they cant even put the wheels on the right way round imagine what else they could have done wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisingPower Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 This is complicated. If it had of happened int he road there may be a legal issue, even then it may be your responsibility to check the work and confirm it is satisfactory by paying for it. With it having happened on a track outside of normal driving situations, you may not have a leg to stand on due to the fact that the mix matched tyres would have performed safely although not perfectly in road conditions. I'd still be giving it a go though, and seeing what can be done about it! I disagree, I'm not sure they would have performed safely in normal road conditions (if it interferes with tc, the diff and puts a lot of unneccessary heat on one side), but it would be more interesting to see from a legal standpoint. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 This is complicated. If it had of happened int he road there may be a legal issue, even then it may be your responsibility to check the work and confirm it is satisfactory by paying for it. With it having happened on a track outside of normal driving situations, you may not have a leg to stand on due to the fact that the mix matched tyres would have performed safely although not perfectly in road conditions. I'd still be giving it a go though, and seeing what can be done about it! I disagree, I'm not sure they would have performed safely in normal road conditions (if it interferes with tc, the diff and puts a lot of unneccessary heat on one side), but it would be more interesting to see from a legal standpoint. Reckon the police would have had something to say about it if he'd died in that crash. Some local builder is being tried for manslaughter round here because his firm built a wall that collapsed on a footpath and in as a little girl was walking passed with her family and killed her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 If you're going to take this legally, then you're going to need a letter from Nissan and Vredestein stating that the car would be dangerous to drive if the tyres & wheels were mixed up like that. If not the manufacturers, then some very good specialists in the field. A complaint letter might work and you might get a goodwill gesture, but it's very unlikely as well given that you could've removed the wheels yourself between leaving the garage and going out on track, or they could've been switched around after the accident, or any time inbetween. No-one is saying that's what happened, but on the balance of probabilities that could well be the case. For me, it's a non-starter as you should always check the condition of the car before setting off on any journey, never mind on track. I'm not saying I'm perfect in that regard, and I might well have missed that as well, but that's what the garage will say in court and then you're stuffed. Sadly I think you can only write this off to experience, and it will just have to serve as a warning to others to check the little things like this when leaving a garage. I'm not trying to get at you here mate, far from it, but any legal challenge is going to be a costly nightmare to follow through with at this stage and I can't see it being very winnable unless you can get an extremely good (read: expensive) solicitor. And people still think I'm bonkers for banging on about how important tyres are on cars. The sizes here weren't even that far out, but you can bet your ass they contributed to this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveJJH Posted June 1, 2012 Author Share Posted June 1, 2012 OK guys this is getting very messy I have to say I'm pretty upset that a stupid mistake has possibly ended with me having a catastrophic accident, that could have been very very bad (ending up in a pit lane where there are people walking about) I have a couple of questions Are the Wheel rims different widths front and back? Should I seek legal advice? And if so has anyone got any suggestions where? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasso Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Standard widths are F 225 R 245 To be fair from the video the sound of tyres screeching happens early on in the corner before it should have been letting go. It clearly got to the point where it couldn't hold on any longer, potentially due to the tyre width resulting in the tyre breaking down and well you going cross country!! This accident could have ended up a LOT worse, you and others could have been fatally injured. In terms of where to turn next legally with this type legal predicament I wouldn't know. I'm sure someone may have some advice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pimm Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I think because this has happend on a track, you do not have a leg to stand on. I would of kept this low key and got the car back home and explained to my insurance company it happend on a country road Your best way is to just get the car fixed now and keep it and enjoy driving it or sell it. I was wondering are you having to pay any extra towards the damage to the barrier that you crashed into ? All the best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilp Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Fronts are 8j rears are 8.5j Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeilMH Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 If you're going to take this legally, then you're going to need a letter from Nissan and Vredestein stating that the car would be dangerous to drive if the tyres & wheels were mixed up like that. If not the manufacturers, then some very good specialists in the field. A complaint letter might work and you might get a goodwill gesture, but it's very unlikely as well given that you could've removed the wheels yourself between leaving the garage and going out on track, or they could've been switched around after the accident, or any time inbetween. No-one is saying that's what happened, but on the balance of probabilities that could well be the case. For me, it's a non-starter as you should always check the condition of the car before setting off on any journey, never mind on track. I'm not saying I'm perfect in that regard, and I might well have missed that as well, but that's what the garage will say in court and then you're stuffed. Sadly I think you can only write this off to experience, and it will just have to serve as a warning to others to check the little things like this when leaving a garage. I'm not trying to get at you here mate, far from it, but any legal challenge is going to be a costly nightmare to follow through with at this stage and I can't see it being very winnable unless you can get an extremely good (read: expensive) solicitor. I'm afraid I'm with Ekona on this one. I don't doubt what happened at all but you would have to be able to prove that 1) it was definitely the cause of the accident and 2) that it was they who put the wheels round the wrong way. Short of a confession there are just too many ways out for the garage and to try and pursue the legal route may end up being stressful, frustrating and expensive. I really feel for you but I think you may just have to take the hit (excuse the pun). Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Also, lest not forget that the OP has - from what I gather - already said that he did a morning session on the car like this. NO doubt it is highly likely that it attributed to it, but no way you will nail this on the garage unfortunately. Its hard enough to do it when you spot the problem and go straight back, let alone when its left their site so long ago Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 I on the other hand will personally hunt you down and slap a wet kipper across your chops if you don't at least try to get them to help out with the repair......I'm not saying take them to the cleaners for the full whack but bollocks to the above.....for all we know (and the garage) your a total 'car mongo' and in my book you paid for a job to be done correctly....it wasn't and you crashed. Can we prove it was as a result of the wheels.....probably not......do the garage want you to kick up a public fuss? have trading standards knocking for a visit? Local paper? Probably not. Be nice first......get nasty later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Anyone got a link to this video? I'm clearly being a dullard and missing the obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 If you're going to take this legally, then you're going to need a letter from Nissan and Vredestein stating that the car would be dangerous to drive if the tyres & wheels were mixed up like that. If not the manufacturers, then some very good specialists in the field. A complaint letter might work and you might get a goodwill gesture, but it's very unlikely as well given that you could've removed the wheels yourself between leaving the garage and going out on track, or they could've been switched around after the accident, or any time inbetween. No-one is saying that's what happened, but on the balance of probabilities that could well be the case. For me, it's a non-starter as you should always check the condition of the car before setting off on any journey, never mind on track. I'm not saying I'm perfect in that regard, and I might well have missed that as well, but that's what the garage will say in court and then you're stuffed. Sadly I think you can only write this off to experience, and it will just have to serve as a warning to others to check the little things like this when leaving a garage. I'm not trying to get at you here mate, far from it, but any legal challenge is going to be a costly nightmare to follow through with at this stage and I can't see it being very winnable unless you can get an extremely good (read: expensive) solicitor. I'm afraid I'm with Ekona on this one. I don't doubt what happened at all but you would have to be able to prove that 1) it was definitely the cause of the accident and 2) that it was they who put the wheels round the wrong way. Short of a confession there are just too many ways out for the garage and to try and pursue the legal route may end up being stressful, frustrating and expensive. I really feel for you but I think you may just have to take the hit (excuse the pun). Good luck. +1 I'm afraid, Never ever nice when this sort of thing happens and whilst these days there is an increasing tendency to look to others for blame/compensation I presume you chose not to take out track insurance which is the option that would helped you, after the excess, to recover much of the expense of putting your car right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaydnH Posted June 1, 2012 Share Posted June 1, 2012 Steve, PLEASE don't listen to the above and give up! Seek legal advice, if they say it's a non-starter then fine, but don't rely on people with no legal experience on a forum to put you off even trying, it would be worth checking if you get free legal advice through your bank account or credit cards etc. This seriously sounds like negligence to me and could have resulted in a much worse situation, imagine if this had happened on the road and you hit a child on a pavement! After that, I'd probably go to the garage and *calmly* point the problem out to the manager and see what he says, I'd be interested to know Mark@Abbey's opinion on this, if Abbey did something like that I would have thought they'd be absolutely devastated! Then possible go the Ricey route for the fun of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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