deank93 Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Hi all, I've read lots of supercharger threads with a view to finding out about the costs involved, what i've read seems to vary a fair bit depending on personal spanner skills etc and i've not seen anyone having done the conversion on the 313 spec. My situation is that my spanner skills are poor and my spare time is minimal so alas I'm one of those owners who would need to drive the car in to whoever was doing it and pick it back up a few weeks later when the work was completed. Can anyone give me a an idea of prices for just a drive in, drive out type of thing, I wouldn't initially bother with upgrading discs, lines, pads, suspension, clutch (due to additional cost) until what I have wears out or it becomes obvious I need to upgrade them before i kill myself. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBoy Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 To my knowledge the only supercharger kit available for the HR engine is the GTM rotrex kit. It's awesome, and very well put together, but consequently very expensive compared to a vortec. You also have to get it shipped from the states so you'll get raped on import taxes. Go to the US forums and have a read up. If you think there's really such a thing as 'drive in drive out' then I think you need to read some first-hand experiences of how it can all go wrong. You're adding a lot of power to a car which wasn't designed for it, so you at least need to have extra funds standing by just in case and seriously think about whether you can deal with the potential decreased reliability. Re: supporting mods, do you really want 300bhp worth of brakes and tires on a 450bhp car? DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Stock brakes are fine unless your spending time on track. I ran 420hp on stock disks and pads. As Danny says though, the only real option is the GTM kit. I know that HKS developed a kit for the HR but I don't believe it was ever released. Your best option is to contact Abbey - I'm pretty certain they can supply the GTM kit and they will fit it aswell As for cost, I reckon you would do well to do it all for less than £10K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 PM "thenoname" He had a GTM s/c kit fitted to a HR by Abbey Motorsport. It's probs a little cheaper now, but when I priced up a TT kit in 2010, including all the supporting mods (custom exhaust, fuel return, re-map etc) and all the labour done by Abbey, the price came out at £16k. That would have given about 470bhp. I know that's not the S/C kit, but it give you an idea of other options Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deank93 Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 cheers for the replies, I didnt realise the s/c on the HR would produce 450bhp....having owned a big power Pulsar I know all about poop reliability and don't really want to venture back down that road agin...are there a lot of s/c horror stories? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deank93 Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 PM "thenoname" He had a GTM s/c kit fitted to a HR by Abbey Motorsport. It's probs a little cheaper now, but when I priced up a TT kit in 2010, including all the supporting mods (custom exhaust, fuel return, re-map etc) and all the labour done by Abbey, the price came out at £16k. That would have given about 470bhp. I know that's not the S/C kit, but it give you an idea of other options Cheers, I'll pop him a message. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bounty Bar Kid Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 It'll cost £10k with Abbey to get the same s/c as thenoname purchased and installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bounty Bar Kid Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 If you are looking for a lovely whistle then, you'll be very dissapointed with that kit. It's so silent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DannyBoy Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 cheers for the replies, I didnt realise the s/c on the HR would produce 450bhp....having owned a big power Pulsar I know all about poop reliability and don't really want to venture back down that road agin...are there a lot of s/c horror stories? 450 is a top-end figure, but the GTM kit uses a big Rotrex supercharger that has far more potential than the vortec or particularly the HKS (which is also a Rotrex blower, just a lot smaller), so could easily get there if you wanted. In fairness, SCs are more reliable than TT kits on the whole, but there's 'catastrophic failure' unreliable and then there's 'not running quite right' unreliable, and while the latter isn't as bad, it must still be bloody annoying having spent so much cash. Most serious failures on SCs seem to come when someone wished they'd bought turbos and go power chasing, where they end up with a highly-strung setup with everything pushed right to the limit. Re-reading my first post it sounds like i'm having a big downer on the idea, and i'm not, it's just that anything you do is going to make the car more fragile, so you'd never really be able to just bolt it on and treat it like stock, but it sounds like you've had previous experience so you'll know that already. DB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac@TarmacSportz Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 I supplied Darren's Vortech and having seen it installed, heard it and been a passenger in his car I can tell you it's an amazing piece of kit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ioneabee Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 He just needs to fix this on the front now to stop all the local wild life being pulled in well - thats what it sounds like anyway Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Mcgoo Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 Reliability with a SC is VERY good if your not chasing every last HP. In fact, I have not heard of any engine failures in the UK due to Supercharging. Has anyone else? As Dannyboy said, you maybe prone to a niggle every now and then, that might need a tweek of the map to sort but once its sorted its generally it. LOTS of posts on here about niggly things wrong with 350's but how many of them are related to Supercharging? Not many. If you get a reputable Tuner to map it, are sensible about your numbers and keep it well maintained there is no reason why it won't last as long as an N/A. My car has been Supercharged for 7 years, it has evolved over that time from 360 ish HP to 442 HP. It has only done about 22k but 20k of them are SC'd and I've done 10k of them and drive it fairly hard. Get it done - Its how the car should have been in the first place! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deank93 Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 Reliability with a SC is VERY good if your not chasing every last HP. In fact, I have not heard of any engine failures in the UK due to Supercharging. Has anyone else? As Dannyboy said, you maybe prone to a niggle every now and then, that might need a tweek of the map to sort but once its sorted its generally it. LOTS of posts on here about niggly things wrong with 350's but how many of them are related to Supercharging? Not many. If you get a reputable Tuner to map it, are sensible about your numbers and keep it well maintained there is no reason why it won't last as long as an N/A. My car has been Supercharged for 7 years, it has evolved over that time from 360 ish HP to 442 HP. It has only done about 22k but 20k of them are SC'd and I've done 10k of them and drive it fairly hard. Get it done - Its how the car should have been in the first place! I'm not that interested in number chasing anymore, it was something i got caught up with when I owned the pulsar and it cost me a bloody fortune, part of the appeal of the zed was that I couldn't get massive gains or minimal money. Reliability is important to me as having had 2 or 3 on the pulsar I don't fancy that again, running niggles that can be easily smoothed out i could live with. Thanks again for the replies.....is there anyone other than Abbey anyone could suggest? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilp Posted May 20, 2012 Share Posted May 20, 2012 advanced motorsport engineering in silverston and jez at horsham developments also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deank93 Posted May 20, 2012 Author Share Posted May 20, 2012 advanced motorsport engineering in silverston and jez at horsham developments also Cheers, didn't know horsham had done any but good to have a few options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark@Abbey m/s Posted May 21, 2012 Share Posted May 21, 2012 Hi, HKS have never produced a kit for the HR. Model car and the chargers used on the HKS kit now use a S/C kit made by HKS themselves. 2 kits are made for the 313 model cars 1, GTM kit that uses a Rotorex charger they do make a couple of kits but only 1 of the kits will fit our RHD cars. We will be fitting our 3rd kit later on this month both previous kits produced 440+ hub bhp very easily and safely I have no issues with pushing the motor's in the 313 model engines to this sort of bhp we even keep the stock clutch on this type of bhp/torque. 2, the Stillen kit that uses a Vortech charger, not fitted one of these ourselves but my friend in the US has fitted and tuned a kit, it doesn't produce the figures like the GTM kit. We always fit a fuel return system together with larger uprated injectors tuned with the Uprev software, keeps the cruise control, multi maps full normal car diagnostic's and car will run like a stock car. We advise a oil cooler and if your going to track the car a sump extension is advisable as well. We can run with either de-cats or HFC's and a stock exhaust can be used if needed. If you tune a totally stock car including oil cooler and sump yes you looking at a lot of money but we can tailor a staged conversion to make the upgrade more managable. Any questions ask away , email me mark(@)Abbeymotorsport.co.uk for more details or give me a ring to discuss. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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