andlid Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 What's the best braking technique on track? Meaning brake for longer with progressively hardening braking force or brake later and really hard? Just wondering if it would be any difference in the heat build-up? And other braking techniques would be greatly appreciated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planetsurfer2 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Threshold braking http://www.drivingfast.net/car-control/braking.htm It's worth going on a performance course with someone like colin at www.catdrivertraining.co.uk. Expensive but worth the effort. (lot cheaper than performance mods) I learned more in day with him than I have in the last 30 years of driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMANALEX Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Anders, You have asked a question that is impossible to answer. Buy this and you wont look back http://www.autocourse.com/products/driving-on-the-edge/ Alex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zugara Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Push the break pedal I suppose...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilp Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 What's the best braking technique on track? Meaning brake for longer with progressively hardening braking force or brake later and really hard? Just wondering if it would be any difference in the heat build-up? And other braking techniques would be greatly appreciated Buy better discs and pads Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 Threshold braking http://www.drivingfast.net/car-control/braking.htm It's worth going on a performance course with someone like colin at http://www.catdrivertraining.co.uk. Expensive but worth the effort. (lot cheaper than performance mods) I learned more in day with him than I have in the last 30 years of driving. nice bit of reading When hitting the apex don't be worried about cutting the corner slightly. During a corner, the weight is transferred to the outside wheels, and thus these are doing most of the gripping. Putting the inside wheels slightly into the gravel shouldn't be too much of an issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 Anders, You have asked a question that is impossible to answer. Buy this and you wont look back http://www.autocourse.com/products/driving-on-the-edge/ Alex in the basket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 What's the best braking technique on track? Meaning brake for longer with progressively hardening braking force or brake later and really hard? Just wondering if it would be any difference in the heat build-up? And other braking techniques would be greatly appreciated Buy better discs and pads that's obviously an option, you forgot tyres, suspension setup. (and a redbull) STILL the Q is valid with all those things Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Push the break pedal I suppose...... Pushing the brake pedal would be better In terms of brake wear and keeping temps under control, you will always be better burying the pedal into the floor than you will being softer with it. However, every corner and every condition will dictate a different braking technique, so as has been said there really is no correct answer. I tend to brake earlier and softer with a view to unsettling the car as little as possible which works for me, but even I'm aware that's not technically the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zugara Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 Yep your quite right......to much ....... Push the break pedal I suppose...... Pushing the brake pedal would be better In terms of brake wear and keeping temps under control, you will always be better burying the pedal into the floor than you will being softer with it. However, every corner and every condition will dictate a different braking technique, so as has been said there really is no correct answer. I tend to brake earlier and softer with a view to unsettling the car as little as possible which works for me, but even I'm aware that's not technically the right thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 Push the break pedal I suppose...... Pushing the brake pedal would be better In terms of brake wear and keeping temps under control, you will always be better burying the pedal into the floor than you will being softer with it. However, every corner and every condition will dictate a different braking technique, so as has been said there really is no correct answer. I tend to brake earlier and softer with a view to unsettling the car as little as possible which works for me, but even I'm aware that's not technically the right thing to do. Yeah I find I'm doing that too, also not trusting the brakes makes me want to have a lower exit speed of track if that happens Hoping next outing will change that somewhat, can't wait to get a proper setup, brakes and tyres 100% and let it rip! Thanks for the input guys, Zugara.. go back to the alco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
planetsurfer2 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 You will be amazed just how much you can thrash the Z, It loves being abused. If your engine isn't singing, you not going fast enough Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 You will be amazed just how much you can thrash the Z, It loves being abused. If your engine isn't singing, you not going fast enough mine aint singing, it's wooshing splushing and pssssssssting (and moving fast...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GT4 Zed Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 I agree with Ekona here and though it not a one size fit all solution for all corners firmer decisive braking and turn in optimuses weight transfer to your advantage as well a keeping your braking time shorter and hence "cooler" so it's optimal for the next time u need it. If you think braking is friction and friction generates heat and heat brings about fade especially if your pad compound is not suitable or the disc size is inadequate to dissipate the heat then you are halfway there. The rest is track and track surface specific and vehicle handling characteristic which determines what constitutes the best braking for each situation. However the best starting point is investing in a very good braking system which has the effect to resist fade by better heat dissipation. The confidence from this does wonders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vik54 Posted February 29, 2012 Share Posted February 29, 2012 If you go for lessons - you'll find that you will be taught slow in fast out approach and to be honest unless you have a real bee in yer bunnet about times (which you shouldn't have on a track day ) this is what will ensure the best lines and most fun through the twisties in the heavy assed zed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted February 29, 2012 Author Share Posted February 29, 2012 I've got a conclusion about my change of driving, with the newly found power I go slower into corner and progressively, slowly apply power... before I worked the Z WAY more and had to work it far harder then now. It's nice Points taken aboard. So my Q is left unanswered. That book will be read, thanks Zmanalex. Can't wait for some tracking, 16th here we come! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lrh Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 Number 1 rule for beginners: Get your braking all done in a straight line, before you turn in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 I tend to work up to it, starting soft and early, then braking later and harder, then eventually standing on the pedal as late as possible. You need to get your lines sorted before concentrating on braking IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 Lines are no problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Iwantone Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 What's the best braking technique on track? Meaning brake for longer with progressively hardening braking force or brake later and really hard? Just wondering if it would be any difference in the heat build-up? I've never been on a track and probably never will do, but I can answer the above questions from an engineering/science angle. "Energy can be neither created nor destroyed, it can only be converted from one form to another" On a level surface a moving car possesses kinetic energy by virtue of it's mass (weight) and velocity (speed) To slow the car down, this kinetic energy needs to be converted into heat energy by the braking system. Whichever braking technique you use, to slow from one speed to another will produce exactly the same amount of heat. The disks (now rotors?) are designed to dissipate this heat to the atmosphere quickly and therefore maintain a cool working temperature. This will start to happpen as soon as any heat is generated. This means that the heat build up will be minimised by applying the brakes over a longer time period. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 Spot on steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mick43 Posted March 1, 2012 Share Posted March 1, 2012 If you're after the fastest possible lap times the technique is simple... you spend as short a time as possible on the brakes, and as long as possible on the power as each circuit/corner will allow... so you brake as late as possible (which means you are braking as hard as possible) this has advantage of loading the front to turn in... obviously if you haven't the brake set-up to allow this then you have to compensate - but your lap times will suffer.... which is only really important to you if you are racing, or wondering why the guy in front with an equivalent car is gradually pulling away from you..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andlid Posted March 1, 2012 Author Share Posted March 1, 2012 If you're after the fastest possible lap times the technique is simple... you spend as short a time as possible on the brakes, and as long as possible on the power as each circuit/corner will allow... so you brake as late as possible (which means you are braking as hard as possible) this has advantage of loading the front to turn in... obviously if you haven't the brake set-up to allow this then you have to compensate - but your lap times will suffer.... which is only really important to you if you are racing, or wondering why the guy in front with an equivalent car is gradually pulling away from you..... more like why is that lower powered car overtaking me in the corners Going to push it on a bit and see where it 'lands' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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