janoof1 Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 ok , been having a few issues with fish tailing in the Z , when i change from 1st to second when im really pushing it - the vdc (or what ever its called ) kicks in and cuts the power once in the rain it didnt seem to kick it and the rear end went a little light, but recently, as ive got more used to the car and have been pushing it a lot -there have been occasions where the car fishtails on dry roads between 1st/2nd and i have to hold the steering wheel firmly is this normal i have bridgestones on the rear with less than 500mls use is this a tyre issue, or a just charecteristic of the car that the vdc will not cut the power all the time its not a wild fishtail - but significant enough that any passenger shits a brick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captint Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Why do you need to get from first to second , of course it will fishtail, just don't drop into first and take the corner smoother Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13KYF Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 yep. not noted for being the gripiest tyres as they are quite a hard compound In fact a cuple of owners have had quite bad results with the bridestones in the wet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captint Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Try Michellins or Toyos if you want a change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janoof1 Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share Posted December 3, 2006 when im accelerating fom stand still so mike are you telling me that if i had toyo proxes on the rear it would not happedn in the dry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M13KYF Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 BF Goodrich are spose to be good to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janoof1 Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share Posted December 3, 2006 i just dont want this to happen :scare::scare::scare::scare: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captint Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 BF Goodrich are spose to be good to Yeah, if your driving a monster truck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captint Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 i just dont want this to happen :scare::scare::scare::scare: Toyos are the fav at the mo, combine this with a two day Ride Drive sessions and I'm sure you'll be ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
janoof1 Posted December 3, 2006 Author Share Posted December 3, 2006 i just dont want this to happen :scare::scare::scare::scare: Toyos are the fav at the mo, combine this with a two day Ride Drive sessions and I'm sure you'll be ok thats true , forgot to mention the fact im a crap driver- passed my test in 1999, done about 2000mls since then in a civic- then straight to the z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captint Posted December 3, 2006 Share Posted December 3, 2006 Mate, most people are crap drivers, although most people think they are fantastic, an experience like Ride Drive, is a real eye opener and is as valuable as a mod anyday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 You could also try to learn how to handle a RWD car corectly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl114 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I have noticed that too, but i have got used to it now and for some reason it doesnt do it as much with the ESP turned off. Its just when pushing it the back end will lose grip slightly and then correct itself, thats the nature of rear wheels drive. However I do think the Potenzas are rubbish and when mine are all worn, in getting Toyos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyC Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 when im accelerating fom stand still so mike are you telling me that if i had toyo proxes on the rear it would not happedn in the dry? More noticeable now as its getting colder mate - the 'stones need a fair bit of heat in them to get a decent level of grip. Don't think Toyo's would completely solve your problem but they'd certainly help. Just don't give it so much beans in first!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndyC Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 You could also try to learn how to handle a RWD car corectly As helpful as ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 You could also try to learn how to handle a RWD car corectly As helpful as ever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 You could also try to learn how to handle a RWD car corectly As helpful as ever Its just that it is always easier to blame the equipment than to blame the person controlling the vehicle All tyres loose traction at a certain point, some earlier than others. Its a matter of learning the limits of your car. Or e.g. when you crash your car coz you missed a corner coz you went too fast are you also gonna say your Z is @*!# and you are going to buy an Elise to solve that problem? I ve encountered some fun ones myself with the Z on wet roads, with ESP on, simple straight-line acceleration on the highway and the back started moving when going from 2nd to 3rd, but hey, this is no FWD vehicle, RWD needs to be treated with respect Saying "my tyres are @*!#", "my suspension is @*!#", "my car is @*!#" is just too easy imho. Everything is @*!# at a certain level then (by which i do not mean you should not put decent tyres on a car or never do things to increase its performance. You ll just move the limits, but they ll still be there, you cannot change the laws of physics Jim ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl114 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 You could also try to learn how to handle a RWD car corectly As helpful as ever Its just that it is always easier to blame the equipment than to blame the person controlling the vehicle All tyres loose traction at a certain point, some earlier than others. Its a matter of learning the limits of your car. Or e.g. when you crash your car coz you missed a corner coz you went too fast are you also gonna say your Z is @*!# and you are going to buy an Elise to solve that problem? I ve encountered some fun ones myself with the Z on wet roads, with ESP on, simple straight-line acceleration on the highway and the back started moving when going from 2nd to 3rd, but hey, this is no FWD vehicle, RWD needs to be treated with respect Saying "my tyres are @*!#", "my suspension is @*!#", "my car is @*!#" is just too easy imho. Everything is @*!# at a certain level then (by which i do not mean you should not put decent tyres on a car or never do things to increase its performance. You ll just move the limits, but they ll still be there, you cannot change the laws of physics Jim ) Totally agree here, in the wet i have got the back end to twitter as well going from 2nd to 3rd. its all about control and limits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I m on some motorcycle forums, the stuff you read there is about 200 times worse Its always "someone else's" fault. - shitty tyres - dirty road - bad suspension - bad brakes etc etc everything except the rider basically Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H5 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I've had this, and with my Toyo's in the wet, but only while they're running in (they've still only done a couple of hundred miles). I think the Bridgestones did it with a bit less control, with the Toyo's it is more of a twitch. I quite like it though as it shows the traction control isn't grabbing too early and it only does it a low speed. Maybe Nissan put an 'Ego Allownce' in!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl114 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 I've had this, and with my Toyo's in the wet, but only while they're running in (they've still only done a couple of hundred miles). I think the Bridgestones did it with a bit less control, with the Toyo's it is more of a twitch. I quite like it though as it shows the traction control isn't grabbing too early and it only does it a low speed. Maybe Nissan put an 'Ego Allownce' in!!! teehee, there is an ego allowance they told me, har har Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H5 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 You could also try to learn how to handle a RWD car corectly As helpful as ever Its just that it is always easier to blame the equipment than to blame the person controlling the vehicle All tyres loose traction at a certain point, some earlier than others. Its a matter of learning the limits of your car. Or e.g. when you crash your car coz you missed a corner coz you went too fast are you also gonna say your Z is @*!# and you are going to buy an Elise to solve that problem? I ve encountered some fun ones myself with the Z on wet roads, with ESP on, simple straight-line acceleration on the highway and the back started moving when going from 2nd to 3rd, but hey, this is no FWD vehicle, RWD needs to be treated with respect Saying "my tyres are @*!#", "my suspension is @*!#", "my car is @*!#" is just too easy imho. Everything is @*!# at a certain level then (by which i do not mean you should not put decent tyres on a car or never do things to increase its performance. You ll just move the limits, but they ll still be there, you cannot change the laws of physics Jim ) Front wheel drive, rear wheel drive, 4 wheel drive, whatever, if there's a decent amount of power then there will always be a few moments. But I don't think there was any blame being put on the car or tyres, simply comments about how the different bits of the car work together. I'm sure the question was based on whether it was normal and to get others opinions, not sure why the comment needs to be so blunt! BTW, an Elise won't solve that problem. A mid engine rear wheel car in the wet isn't easier to handle than the Zed. It's a right handful but fun with it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 My Elise example was in the dry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H5 Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 My Elise example was in the dry Have you driven one in both conditions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ir_fuel Posted December 4, 2006 Share Posted December 4, 2006 Do you have to? Its pure logic. The elise is 500kg lighter, has semi-slicks fitted, is lower, has a 100% flat "floorpan" to suck it to the road. It would be quite amusing to see that that wouldn't increase corner speed compared to a Z Have driven a VX220turbo once, but didnt really test its limits coz it wasnt mine, no Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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