Zugara Posted June 11, 2011 Author Share Posted June 11, 2011 to get it to do that you must be mashing the pedal on exit of junctions Nope, just quick off the mark high rpm, stick it in second gear, thats the symptoms. Not like I do it all the time tho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 no offence but I can't believe you didn't notice that was the TC None taken, I didnt even notice the light coming on TBH. Must have been so concerned with the oncoming traffic I didnt even look at the dials. Whats more worrying is that Abbey didnt pick that up.... agreed, that is worrying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Yep same here, pull out of my works car park direct onto the A4, 1st gear up to about 15mph then about half throttle in second and the bloody TC kicks in, does it every time, nearest I have come to an accident is because it did this and a few cars came roaring up behind me as I frantically tried to get the engine going again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 drive with more sympathy for the vehicle, you don't need to cane the living death out the car to get it out a junction quickly. Sounds like too much right boot to me and just dumping it into 2nd. Take your time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 no offence but I can't believe you didn't notice that was the TC None taken, I didnt even notice the light coming on TBH. Must have been so concerned with the oncoming traffic I didnt even look at the dials. Whats more worrying is that Abbey didnt pick that up.... agreed, that is worrying. Maybe the guys at abbey can drive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zugara Posted June 11, 2011 Author Share Posted June 11, 2011 drive with more sympathy for the vehicle, you don't need to cane the living death out the car to get it out a junction quickly. Sounds like too much right boot to me and just dumping it into 2nd. Take your time. Its not like I do it all the time, probably once a week,if that. I really dont thrash the nuts of my car. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Me neither, but I would like it to be able to give it some umph when I need it without worrying about TC having a little moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 i was just saying to zugara, next time you change form 1st to 2nd make an effort to add in a little half second pause to let the engine slow down a bit from 6000, see if it makes a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernspeed Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 It was on my old standard tyres, bridgestones, can't remember the standard size of tyre on those(?), only had about 4mm of tread, but found it bloody annoying that pulling out and putting about half throttle down in second gear at nearly 20mph meant the car cut out... ...and not sure whats most dangerous, maybe the wheels spin or the car cuts the engine out and all the cars which come belting around the corner on the A4 find you stalling at 20mph Your engine totally cuts out and needs re-starting?? Doesn't sound like TC, more like a different problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky370z Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Yup, mine does that. When driving "spirited" the TC kicks in. Like a massive lose of power. Its quite annoying but keeps me out of trouble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varley16 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 ive had that, im sure its the TC kicking in I dont know mate, why would the engine feel like its lost all power, almost as if the exhaust gas cant escape quick enough, It did happen when I had a stock exhaust too. The carbon on the bumper was roughly the size of this comma , but flecked all around the tail pipe area on the bumper. Traction control works in various ways, it can brake on some of the wheels, it also can reduce the spark to one or more cylinders, or reduce fuel to cylinders, so you would feel the engine "lose power". some cars (if fitted with drive by wire) can close the throttle, and turbo engines, the boost solenoid could be actuated this then reduces the boost, and reduces the power. I dont know what system nissan use, but most cars that i have worked on use the braking to some of the wheels, which work with the ABS. from what you say it does sound like TC kicking in, ive had this before, its annoying, but ive only had it when changing gear very quickly, and usually from 1st to 2nd. hope that helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Am I the only person that gets in car, turns on ignition, turns off TC and drives off? (Except when wet or icy) Can't believe that anybody leaves it on. I've had the car for 2 years and never span the wheels with TC off. All my track days are with TC off and the car is VASTLY better. It worries me that people think the moment you turn TC off the car will spin in to a ditch and catch fire. It won't unless there are external issues, see above, or you are driving at track speeds on the open road which is, er, illegal. Genuinely, if you think you need the TC on all the time, you need a different car. (Not directed at OP, just an observation) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisingPower Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Am I the only person that gets in car, turns on ignition, turns off TC and drives off? (Except when wet or icy) Can't believe that anybody leaves it on. I've had the car for 2 years and never span the wheels with TC off. All my track days are with TC off and the car is VASTLY better. It worries me that people think the moment you turn TC off the car will spin in to a ditch and catch fire. It won't unless there are external issues, see above, or you are driving at track speeds on the open road which is, er, illegal. Genuinely, if you think you need the TC on all the time, you need a different car. (Not directed at OP, just an observation) That's great, but how will you explain it to insurers when you accidentally lose it? Incidentally, does turning it off really mean it's properly off or is there still some jiggery pokery going on with it "off"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chippychip123 Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Am I the only person that gets in car, turns on ignition, turns off TC and drives off? (Except when wet or icy) Can't believe that anybody leaves it on. I've had the car for 2 years and never span the wheels with TC off. All my track days are with TC off and the car is VASTLY better. It worries me that people think the moment you turn TC off the car will spin in to a ditch and catch fire. It won't unless there are external issues, see above, or you are driving at track speeds on the open road which is, er, illegal. Genuinely, if you think you need the TC on all the time, you need a different car. (Not directed at OP, just an observation) Big +1 what do you think the big powered skyline and supra boys do, they don't have TCS to hide behind. You buy a reasonably fast car and actually learn how to drive the thing, the people that think it HAS to be turned on at all times maybe should move back to there Golfs and Focus I'm not saying I'm the dog bo**oks but I do find it cuts it far too quickly. I'm not telling every one to go turn it off at all times and drift the streets but if you are honestly one of these who are scared to push the button then maybe you bought the wrong sort of car Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keyser Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Am I the only person that gets in car, turns on ignition, turns off TC and drives off? (Except when wet or icy) +1 Thats my routine now as well Haven't had the car for a winter yet but I'm looking for a second set of wheels as the R888's were "entertaining " When I went out in the rain! BTW Captain cameras here - just waiting for the memory card Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted June 11, 2011 Share Posted June 11, 2011 Am I the only person that gets in car, turns on ignition, turns off TC and drives off? (Except when wet or icy) Can't believe that anybody leaves it on. I've had the car for 2 years and never span the wheels with TC off. All my track days are with TC off and the car is VASTLY better. It worries me that people think the moment you turn TC off the car will spin in to a ditch and catch fire. It won't unless there are external issues, see above, or you are driving at track speeds on the open road which is, er, illegal. Genuinely, if you think you need the TC on all the time, you need a different car. (Not directed at OP, just an observation) I agree with you kinda, but am I wrong in saying your an older more experianced driver? If your an old skooler you have probably had many many cars that are rwd and are used to it. Most of my generation are scared of rwd and they think its gran turismo style that you keep spinning out. Honestly when we where younger and still my freinds now say i like it but its rwd that puts me off. I always drive with it on, but it never comes on though. I dont push the car hard as Im still very much scared of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 If i wanted to spin my wheels i would have to do damage to the car, at 295mm they have too much grip for the power available, although it is possible I don't like to do it in any kind of regular way. IF you can drive it and understand what is involved with taking the TC off then great, enjoy the car more. But (no offence to the OP) if you don't even realise that it's the TC that is interfering and don't even notice the flashy light on your dash then it's best you leave it on. To me I simply don't see the need to take it off on the public road. On the track though, yes I completely understand. I just don't want a whole bunch of people who read the forum to think, "I know what i'll do tomorrow, i'll turn it off like the other cool kids do BANG!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 on the thread that talks about how many cars are registered etc, i did a little comparison, its something like 100 or so less 350z's registed in the last year, and yet something like my xkr there are only 30 less cars. now some of these may be people taking the car off the road, but both are fuel drinkers so in some repects i would say the % of people declaring sorn would be similiar between the 2. that could theortically mean more people per year are writing off Zeds than say the jags. (this is just one comparison over 1 year) the point i'm getting at, is that there are a lot of people moving over to the zed now its more affordable who haven;t really grown up with RWD. they;ve sold there fiesta ST and got a Zed. nothing wrong with that at all, but then they think it drives the same. they think their senna, turn off the traction and the next thing we get is a post on here about how they stacked their car. i;d say if your experienced with RWD then fine turn it off; but maybe for the inexperienced leave it on; it alllows you to still enjoy the car, but protects you from the muppet element of not knowing what your doing. i have 10 years experience in RWD, and my last car didn't have it at all and i loved it. but then i knew where the limit was and if i was pushing to hard and when to back off. when i was down at the nissan free race trials i laughed alot at the boys coming from FWD bragging about how great they were, and how they would set the fastest times because they were driving gods. to then watch them spin in circles becuas ethey couldn't control RWD. FWD is extremely forgiving and compensates far better if you make a mistake. you cannot drive the two types the same. and some people don't realise this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Am I the only person that gets in car, turns on ignition, turns off TC and drives off? (Except when wet or icy) Can't believe that anybody leaves it on. I've had the car for 2 years and never span the wheels with TC off. All my track days are with TC off and the car is VASTLY better. It worries me that people think the moment you turn TC off the car will spin in to a ditch and catch fire. It won't unless there are external issues, see above, or you are driving at track speeds on the open road which is, er, illegal. Genuinely, if you think you need the TC on all the time, you need a different car. (Not directed at OP, just an observation) I agree with you kinda, but am I wrong in saying your an older more experianced driver? If your an old skooler you have probably had many many cars that are rwd and are used to it. Most of my generation are scared of rwd and they think its gran turismo style that you keep spinning out. Honestly when we where younger and still my freinds now say i like it but its rwd that puts me off. I always drive with it on, but it never comes on though. I dont push the car hard as Im still very much scared of it. I'm 47 DBlock and I've driven mostly RWD cars without incident for 30 years. However, I ain't Jay Leno and my car purchases/borrows have been: Ford Escort MG Midget Vauxhall Chevette 320i 325i Volvo 345 323i 350Z All of these cars had no TC and I managed to survived the daily oversteer/ditch/fireball which you are worried about. The 350Z is powerful bit it ain't an F40 or even a TVR. I recently went to Abbey and I was all of 250 bhp at the hub. Do me a big favour, if it's dry this PM, go out for a drive and turn the TC off. You'll notice that the car will feel more responsive during changes and quicker off the mark at lights etc. It will not spin and you won't die. I really believe the "fear" you have (and this is genuine) comes from Top Gear/Fifth Gear. Where Clarkson/Needell take out a powerful RWD car and drive around saying how nice it is and then turn to the camera and say "and now I'm gonna turn the TC off". Then you get the loud music, lots of opposite lock, spinning off in to fields and maybe "your" generation just assume this will happen when you turn the TC off. IT WON'T!!!! They are making the cars do that and they are good drivers. I'm going to Keevil (aerodrome in Wilitshire) tomorrow with PIMM and I intend to "do a Clarkson" and push the car way over the limits. I'm doing this to see where I can make up time at Castle Combe and also to improve my overall driving skills. I'll post the video on Monday night and perhaps it'll prove useful to show how fast and safe the Z is with TC off. Of course I'm gonna be heading off in to the wheat several times but that'll be at track speeds pushing over the edge of traction, something nobody should be attempting on a public road. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zugara Posted June 12, 2011 Author Share Posted June 12, 2011 To agree with captain, the car did feel better without the TC on. TBH, It didnt even cross my mind the TC was kicking in , and to be totally honest.......I forgot the car even had it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 I would agree there is some Top Gear effect in there, 650bhp lambos on an open track yep you get some sideways and the TG guys make full use of it with some very good driving to get it sideways. But I totally see where Husky is coming from, not so much that the TC off means car spin all over the place which they don't (there is no way Nissan would have a big, easy to use button on the car if it meant instant death to the driver when its pressed) but as a forum we should be very wary that without TC there is a chance, albeit a small one, that someone messing around with it after reading this then causes themselves to have an accident. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Am I the only person that gets in car, turns on ignition, turns off TC and drives off? (Except when wet or icy) Can't believe that anybody leaves it on. I've had the car for 2 years and never span the wheels with TC off. All my track days are with TC off and the car is VASTLY better. It worries me that people think the moment you turn TC off the car will spin in to a ditch and catch fire. It won't unless there are external issues, see above, or you are driving at track speeds on the open road which is, er, illegal. Genuinely, if you think you need the TC on all the time, you need a different car. (Not directed at OP, just an observation) To fully enjoy the 350 or 370 this is the way to use it Most 'incidents' invaribly occur when there is 'alleged' diesel or whatever on the road - more often than not is simply being too brutal with the loud pedal for the conditions and that I suspect that happens with the TC on or off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 Yeah I agree, I would guess that the majority of accidents happen regardless of the TC setting. Simply misjudging a corner and going way to fast for it will mean problems TC or no TC as would pulling out of a side turning into traffic without seeing cars coming or not paying attention to the traffic in front of you and failing to notice brake lights. TC only stops the wheels potentially spinning, it doesn't in any way substitute for poor driving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sparky370z Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 on the thread that talks about how many cars are registered etc, i did a little comparison, its something like 100 or so less 350z's registed in the last year, and yet something like my xkr there are only 30 less cars. now some of these may be people taking the car off the road, but both are fuel drinkers so in some repects i would say the % of people declaring sorn would be similiar between the 2. that could theortically mean more people per year are writing off Zeds than say the jags. (this is just one comparison over 1 year) the point i'm getting at, is that there are a lot of people moving over to the zed now its more affordable who haven;t really grown up with RWD. they;ve sold there fiesta ST and got a Zed. nothing wrong with that at all, but then they think it drives the same. they think their senna, turn off the traction and the next thing we get is a post on here about how they stacked their car. i;d say if your experienced with RWD then fine turn it off; but maybe for the inexperienced leave it on; it alllows you to still enjoy the car, but protects you from the muppet element of not knowing what your doing. i have 10 years experience in RWD, and my last car didn't have it at all and i loved it. but then i knew where the limit was and if i was pushing to hard and when to back off. when i was down at the nissan free race trials i laughed alot at the boys coming from FWD bragging about how great they were, and how they would set the fastest times because they were driving gods. to then watch them spin in circles becuas ethey couldn't control RWD. FWD is extremely forgiving and compensates far better if you make a mistake. you cannot drive the two types the same. and some people don't realise this. Thats what i did. are you having a pop? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted June 12, 2011 Share Posted June 12, 2011 sorry sparky, just happened to see one on the tv when i wrote it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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