coldel Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Having bought a somewhat tatty black 04 ZED I have spent a few weeks getting it back to how it should look. I put some Super Resin Polish on it but its literally filled all those scratches I couldnt see before with white polish, and there are a fair few, now they show up. I have had a look online and Poorboys Black Hole seems to be a good option to get rid of all the marks. I do have a tub of this kicking around at home as well...would it be any good at sorting this sort of problem out? It looks like just a standard wax? http://www.lusso.com/oro.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilside z Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 the best i find is the black colour magic polish. its black leaves no white residue and masks blemishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 Is that the Turtle Wax stuff mate? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Envy Valeting Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Speak to Mark at Autobrite direct and get some Black Magic wax, or I can sell you some Dodo Juice Blue Velvet Pro which will do a good job at hiding the horrors https://www.envyvaleting.com/products_info.asp?id=210 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veilside z Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 yes turtle wax make it. halfords b&q sell. i apply with mutton cloth do a panel at a time. when it starts to dry off buff up with clean piece of mutton cloth. excellent on my black z. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted April 17, 2011 Author Share Posted April 17, 2011 Tried the Turtle Wax as I passed halfords on the way home, looks miles better. Cheers. Just need to attach the black badges and it looks mean as hell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jollyranchers Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 you really need a machine polish to get rid of them , then concentrate on good washing and drying techinque from what i have found over the years SRP , black hole, lime prime etc only really work on very light swirls i would invest in a polisher and some pads/polish My Kuro is gleaming, i only really wax it now and give it a polish with my machine every 6 months using the menzerna range of polishes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will370z Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 I use that black magic turtle wax stuff and it's great, hides all the marks. It will come off when you next wash it but doesn't take 5 mins to reapply and looks fantastic. Only problem is the black hands afterwards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Black Hole does a giant wee on anything else I've used on any car - it rules! You can really see how it fills the swirls and light scratches up. Never seen it in 'tub' form? Its usually in a bottle and smells quite edible......in fact does anyone else have an urge to eat most of their cleaning products?? They all seem to smell so good!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will370z Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Totally agree ricey, some of them really do smell good, thought it was just me being odd and a little too in to my detailing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Sorry Coldel I misread your post - didn't see the linky after your 'would this be any good bit' I thought you meant you had some Poorboys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BULLITT Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Best thing for swirls and scratches is a proper machine polish. All of these products merely fill in or hide the marks, they don't get rid of them. The marked layer of paint has to be removed with a fine cutting agent and a rotary. It costs a lot but then again, its a time consuming job, I did a car and it took 18hrs to get it sorted, some cars can take as long as 50hrs! But the results are very worth it if you like to keep your car looking it's best Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Bullitt - something I've been meaning to ask Tim at Envy for a while but you may be able to answer....... When you have a scratch (even a really light one) it always seems to be white underneath which I've always assumed meant it was down to the undercoat.........so how does machine polishing get rid of it? I'm only using a DA so its never going to do the proper corrections but I've never understood how it works? Or am I looking at something thats not undercoat? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 poor bos black hole glaze is immense, can;t beat it, but its only a temporary measure not a permanent cure. to get rid properly you'll need to have someone with a DA or polisher go over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BULLITT Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Bullitt - something I've been meaning to ask Tim at Envy for a while but you may be able to answer....... When you have a scratch (even a really light one) it always seems to be white underneath which I've always assumed meant it was down to the undercoat.........so how does machine polishing get rid of it? I'm only using a DA so its never going to do the proper corrections but I've never understood how it works? Or am I looking at something thats not undercoat? Some cars, depending on the colour, use white primer, often bright coloured cars such as reds, blues or yellows so it could be that that you're seeing... General rule of thumb is if you can catch your finger nail in the scratch then its too deep to machine polish out. A machine polish/rotary/orbital etc is usually a variable speed machine that can use a different variety of size and type of heads. You use a cutting agents with these heads to remove the marks - cutting agents vary in the depth of "cut" they give to the paint, some will cut deeper than others and some are used for final stage polishing. Cutting means the amount of paint the machine and agent will remove, don't worry, it's microscopic layers. Paint thickness is measured in Microns, a decent cut will remove a few layers but not all unless you're being a complete idiot with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Cheers mate. More so on my Lancer I seem to get really tiny hairline scratches that are white but you don't seem to be able to feel them with a fingernail.......suppose it could just have really thin paint - seems to stone chip like a biatch too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BULLITT Posted April 17, 2011 Share Posted April 17, 2011 Cheers mate. More so on my Lancer I seem to get really tiny hairline scratches that are white but you don't seem to be able to feel them with a fingernail.......suppose it could just have really thin paint - seems to stone chip like a biatch too. Japanese cars, particularly Honda, Mitsubishi and Subaru have stupidly thin paint that damages very easily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted April 19, 2011 Author Share Posted April 19, 2011 you really need a machine polish to get rid of them , then concentrate on good washing and drying techinque from what i have found over the years SRP , black hole, lime prime etc only really work on very light swirls i would invest in a polisher and some pads/polish My Kuro is gleaming, i only really wax it now and give it a polish with my machine every 6 months using the menzerna range of polishes. My problem with keeping the car clean is that I can't actually park it near my house, so no plug socket option is available... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter10 Posted April 19, 2011 Share Posted April 19, 2011 It's a long job to machine polish, but if you have a friend with one or can buy one and use it at a family members it is well worth it. I thought my car was pretty faultless but after my first attempt I managed to get some decent results and realised that the car had more marks than I thought. Just remember, you need to give it a really good clean before you use a machine polisher. That's what makes the day so long, just getting it ready to polish . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted May 2, 2011 Author Share Posted May 2, 2011 Any views on a good machine polisher to buy? I dont want to go crazy and spend £100+ on one as I am currently recovering from a Clutch purchase... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmac Posted May 2, 2011 Share Posted May 2, 2011 Have a word with Tim and see what he can do for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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