Fair Fuel UK

[Dblock]

Taxing fuel is not the fairest way to do it imho. Cutting back spending on people whos net input into the coffers is less than zero is where I would start.

 

Ill probably sound like the son of thatcher and get bashed for it, but half the chav ridden estates couldnt give a toss how expensive fuel is. What do they care - they dont rely on their car to get them in front of the tv watching Jeremy Kyle every day.

 

I consider myself very lucky to be in a position where I can grumble about the cost of fuel, but not actually "worry" about it too much, but I am taking steps to reduce my expenditure on a comodity that is massively over taxed as its an easy target as I simply dont agree with it.

 

The motorist in general is hammered by tax as its an easy target. The VED ammounts being based on emmissions but not taking into account usage is just an example of the easy target at work - they want to make it look like its a nice "green" way of taxing, but its not. Ive pumped out less than 1 tenth the CO2 from the fezza & the 350z combined in one year than I have the Altea, but paid more than 3 times the tax.

 

Im starting with the following:

 

I have never sorned a vehicle before in my life, but starting this year I will be sorning both the Fezza and the Zed at the end of summer. Which means they can whistle dixie for 6 months worth of tax each year on those.

 

I will only be taking the Zed to shows and not running it as a daily drive through the summer.

I will only take the fezza to shows within a round trip radius of 150 miles, as thats just a joke on fuel.

I will be getting rid of the Jag within the next month or so and probably swapping for something a lot more economical, probably a focus or something. Thats will be less tax and less fuel revenue.

 

What is happening with fuel taxes is simply a carbon copy of what happened with general income taxes in the 60's. They got so high, those who could afford to, left. Leaving the government with zero income from those individuals.

 

Thats exactly what Im doing with fuel tax. I can afford to stop running some of my cars, and putting less fuel in and taxing them less, so I will. Im looking to drop my expenditure on car tax and fuel costs by 50%. If everyone did the same, the HMRC finances would be in a state of crisis.

 

I for one would rather them start looking at the money wasted on spongers, cheats and fraudsters taking billions from the economy, rather than those who actually contribute. But of course its much easier to hit the motorist and tax payer than it is to actually ensure the money they spend, is spent well.

 

 

Presumably you also include those like Topshop, Vodafone, Barclays, Boots and others allegedly avoiding paying their proper taxes, not to mention all those millionaires and billionaires off-shoring their riches in various tax havens around the world.

 

The words "noses and faces" leap to mind when you say that you'll take most of your cars off the road and just drive cheap ones in order to avoid supporting those you define as "undesirables". Just hope with all your pomposity, you never find yourself unemployed and with no hope. I've have. Been there, done that, got the tee-shirt.

 

Maybe if tax was fair in this country there would be more companys paying tax more people employed paying tax and millionaires and billionaires staying here as they arent getting taxed the crap out of.

[yankeesiter]

Presumably you also include those like Topshop, Vodafone, Barclays, Boots and others allegedly avoiding paying their proper taxes, not to mention all those millionaires and billionaires off-shoring their riches in various tax havens around the world.

 

The words "noses and faces" leap to mind when you say that you'll take most of your cars off the road and just drive cheap ones in order to avoid supporting those you define as "undesirables". Just hope with all your pomposity, you never find yourself unemployed and with no hope. I've have. Been there, done that, got the tee-shirt.

 

If anyone has avoided paying tax by illegal means and HMRC have not enforced the law upon these people, then yes, I do include them. Anyone who avoids tax rather than evades tax is not acting illegally, they are just navigating an over complex system to their advantage.

 

I also believe the tax system is massively too complex. It benefits those who can afford accountants and advisors to assist in them paying as little tax as possible, while remaining fully legal, and I do think it unfair that those who dont have the benefit of these advisors get shafted due to an overly complex tax system.

 

So you would agree that the government should get it's act together and crack down on tax avoiders?

 

Im not taking my cars off the road to avoid paying tax thats supporting undesireables, as you twisted it, Im taking them off the road as I find the system unfair and overly harsh toward the motorist. Also, knowing three tenths of chuff all about me, I'd question whether you are in a position to accuse me of being pompus? Ive had days where Ive been to the cash point after pay day and still found it a few hundred overdrawn with the £500 limit looming. Ive also been jobless too, I was qualified to work in a senior IT position, yet I found myself stacking beans at Tesco for a few years to make ends meet. SUre, not as harsh a situation as some people find themselves in, but what I didn't do on those days was point the finger at those better off than me and saying how unfair the system was.

 

So, why gripe about those worse off than you? Why not those who should pay but dont't?

[AK350Z]

 

So, why gripe about those worse off than you? Why not those who should pay but dont't?

 

"people worse off than you" and the well known (and numerous) members of society that take advantage of the Social System are not necessarily the same people. There are plenty of folks who don't take advantage, but they are still relatively poor.

 

We spent a quarter of our GDP on the welfare state. There are plenty of savings to be made.

[Neilp]

Presumably you also include those like Topshop, Vodafone, Barclays, Boots and others allegedly avoiding paying their proper taxes, not to mention all those millionaires and billionaires off-shoring their riches in various tax havens around the world.

 

The words "noses and faces" leap to mind when you say that you'll take most of your cars off the road and just drive cheap ones in order to avoid supporting those you define as "undesirables". Just hope with all your pomposity, you never find yourself unemployed and with no hope. I've have. Been there, done that, got the tee-shirt.

 

If anyone has avoided paying tax by illegal means and HMRC have not enforced the law upon these people, then yes, I do include them. Anyone who avoids tax rather than evades tax is not acting illegally, they are just navigating an over complex system to their advantage.

 

I also believe the tax system is massively too complex. It benefits those who can afford accountants and advisors to assist in them paying as little tax as possible, while remaining fully legal, and I do think it unfair that those who dont have the benefit of these advisors get shafted due to an overly complex tax system.

 

So you would agree that the government should get it's act together and crack down on tax avoiders?

 

Im not taking my cars off the road to avoid paying tax thats supporting undesireables, as you twisted it, Im taking them off the road as I find the system unfair and overly harsh toward the motorist. Also, knowing three tenths of chuff all about me, I'd question whether you are in a position to accuse me of being pompus? Ive had days where Ive been to the cash point after pay day and still found it a few hundred overdrawn with the £500 limit looming. Ive also been jobless too, I was qualified to work in a senior IT position, yet I found myself stacking beans at Tesco for a few years to make ends meet. SUre, not as harsh a situation as some people find themselves in, but what I didn't do on those days was point the finger at those better off than me and saying how unfair the system was.

 

So, why gripe about those worse off than you? Why not those who should pay but dont't?

those worse off, i guess you are referring to the chav ridden estates that chesterfield mentioned. I agree with chesterfield. There is junkies and scroungers on the dole getting free money which I worked to earn. The first thing i would do is stop free drugs (methandone etc) for the junkies, stop their benefits and force them to work. Its far too easy to scrounge of the system and these scumbags are screwing it well and truly.

[yankeesiter]

Presumably you also include those like Topshop, Vodafone, Barclays, Boots and others allegedly avoiding paying their proper taxes, not to mention all those millionaires and billionaires off-shoring their riches in various tax havens around the world.

 

The words "noses and faces" leap to mind when you say that you'll take most of your cars off the road and just drive cheap ones in order to avoid supporting those you define as "undesirables". Just hope with all your pomposity, you never find yourself unemployed and with no hope. I've have. Been there, done that, got the tee-shirt.

 

If anyone has avoided paying tax by illegal means and HMRC have not enforced the law upon these people, then yes, I do include them. Anyone who avoids tax rather than evades tax is not acting illegally, they are just navigating an over complex system to their advantage.

 

I also believe the tax system is massively too complex. It benefits those who can afford accountants and advisors to assist in them paying as little tax as possible, while remaining fully legal, and I do think it unfair that those who dont have the benefit of these advisors get shafted due to an overly complex tax system.

 

So you would agree that the government should get it's act together and crack down on tax avoiders?

 

Im not taking my cars off the road to avoid paying tax thats supporting undesireables, as you twisted it, Im taking them off the road as I find the system unfair and overly harsh toward the motorist. Also, knowing three tenths of chuff all about me, I'd question whether you are in a position to accuse me of being pompus? Ive had days where Ive been to the cash point after pay day and still found it a few hundred overdrawn with the £500 limit looming. Ive also been jobless too, I was qualified to work in a senior IT position, yet I found myself stacking beans at Tesco for a few years to make ends meet. SUre, not as harsh a situation as some people find themselves in, but what I didn't do on those days was point the finger at those better off than me and saying how unfair the system was.

 

So, why gripe about those worse off than you? Why not those who should pay but dont't?

those worse off, i guess you are referring to the chav ridden estates that chesterfield mentioned. I agree with chesterfield. There is junkies and scroungers on the dole getting free money which I worked to earn. The first thing i would do is stop free drugs (methandone etc) for the junkies, stop their benefits and force them to work. Its far too easy to scrounge of the system and these scumbags are screwing it well and truly.

 

Presumably you're also including the UK banks that received £850bn in 2008 in the form of direct loans, guarantees and liquidity support and have yet to do much for the British business sector other than continue to pay themselves large bonuses.

[Chesterfield]

 

So you would agree that the government should get it's act together and crack down on tax avoiders?

 

 

 

No - they should crack down on evaders, not avoiders. There is a difference.

 

 

So, why gripe about those worse off than you? Why not those who should pay but dont't?

 

Im not griping about those worse off. Ive stated above those that don't pay but should, should indeed be made to do so. Im griping about those who take money out that shouldn't.

 

I've personally shopped a few benefit cheats in the past that I know for a FACT are defrauding the system. The questions the people who you phone to report ask are just daft. I was phoning to report someone for claiming several allowances which they were not entitled to due to the value of their savings, yet I was being asked what colour their eyes were, what time they left the house etc etc.. All they needed to do was get a warrant, look at their bank account and job was done, but no, far too difficult.

 

Guess what happened in every case I reported? Naff all. They have carried on claiming those benefits for the last 7 years and still do to this day.

 

So as per above and coming back round to topic, its much easier to stick massive ammounts of tax on fuel than it is to tackle the more difficult issues of making sure the money that is spent, is spent well.

[Ruddles]

 

So you would agree that the government should get it's act together and crack down on tax avoiders?

 

 

 

No - they should crack down on evaders, not avoiders. There is a difference.

 

 

So, why gripe about those worse off than you? Why not those who should pay but dont't?

 

Im not griping about those worse off. Ive stated above those that don't pay but should, should indeed be made to do so. Im griping about those who take money out that shouldn't.

 

I've personally shopped a few benefit cheats in the past that I know for a FACT are defrauding the system. The questions the people who you phone to report ask are just daft. I was phoning to report someone for claiming several allowances which they were not entitled to due to the value of their savings, yet I was being asked what colour their eyes were, what time they left the house etc etc.. All they needed to do was get a warrant, look at their bank account and job was done, but no, far too difficult.

 

Guess what happened in every case I reported? Naff all. They have carried on claiming those benefits for the last 7 years and still do to this day.

 

So as per above and coming back round to topic, its much easier to stick massive ammounts of tax on fuel than it is to tackle the more difficult issues of making sure the money that is spent, is spent well.

 

 

+1

 

The Government tax decent folk because they can

[yankeesiter]

Presumably you also include those like Topshop, Vodafone, Barclays, Boots and others allegedly avoiding paying their proper taxes, not to mention all those millionaires and billionaires off-shoring their riches in various tax havens around the world.

 

The words "noses and faces" leap to mind when you say that you'll take most of your cars off the road and just drive cheap ones in order to avoid supporting those you define as "undesirables". Just hope with all your pomposity, you never find yourself unemployed and with no hope. I've have. Been there, done that, got the tee-shirt.

 

If anyone has avoided paying tax by illegal means and HMRC have not enforced the law upon these people, then yes, I do include them. Anyone who avoids tax rather than evades tax is not acting illegally, they are just navigating an over complex system to their advantage.

 

I also believe the tax system is massively too complex. It benefits those who can afford accountants and advisors to assist in them paying as little tax as possible, while remaining fully legal,

 

and I do think it unfair that those who dont have the benefit of these advisors get shafted due to an overly complex tax system.

 

So, "avoidance" of millions of £s of tax liability by those who can is morally acceptable then?