phoenix Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I was out driving early this morning and being very careful due to the icy winter roads and yet i still lost control a couple of times, this happened a few times to me last winter and i'm just not sure if want my 350 any more. Does this happen easier than other cars because of the back end being lighter than the front? I wonder if the 370z will have the same problem? What do i need to do buy a 4x4 or are there other coupe's that don't suffer as much? What about the TT quatro for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
threefiftyz Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 wow im suprised your questioning ownership cos of a icy morning ....we've not even had any snow yet how cold was it? what your tyres like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gball1973 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 You just need to be a LOT lighter with the loud pedal mate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 sounds like one of a few things; A) pushing to hard at the wrong point in corners B ) tyres are bad/cheap make or are worn C) tyres are the wrong size D) traction control isn't on if you have the traction control on i honestly don't see how you can loose it if you drive sensibly on an icy morning. Its a powerful RWD sports car, it will get tail happy that is the nature of the beast. If it doesnt seem the thing for you then 4wd or Fwd is probably the way to go. depending on your tastes you have options like celica Gt4 mitsibishi GTO Audi TT Evo/Scooby all are 4wd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam Mcgoo Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 You'll find any reasonably powerful rear-wheel drive car with wide tyres will do the same. If this sort of thing bothers you, then maybe it's not for you. But before making any drastic decisions, you could try buying some winter tyres or try lowering your tyre pressures a little. You just have to be smooth with steering and throttle inputs on slippery days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 My four tyres are only 6 months old, and i live away from the city using a lot of country roads. Had my car for nearly three years now and even though i expect icy roads for the next few months it might be time for a change. I always drive slow this time of the year infact this morning i was was only doing about 20 mph at two seperate corners when loss of control happened. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neilp Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 What make and model are the tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gball1973 Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 You just have to be smooth with steering and throttle inputs on slippery days. +1 Last winter Vik and i included a trip to her olds down in Northhamptonshire, only one or two sticky points - getting her moving from the ungritted car park at a services, and getting up the hill on the outlaws street(again ungritted), otherwise a fairly good run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 doing about 20 mph at two seperate corners when loss of control happened. that doesnt sound right, like nankangs are involved Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix Posted November 16, 2010 Author Share Posted November 16, 2010 Falken 452's i think, but it was happening the last two winter's with the original Bridgestone's, like someone said before i think it's just the nature of the beast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasso Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I've also noticed this morning the Falkens don't perform as well as the RE50's (Lost but not forgoten!) I was slipping around like nobody's business, this is on normal roads in and around town. Although I must add the car is setup differently to last winter, so I need to tone down my driving during the icy periods. But I have to say the Falkens aren't that great in the wet/ice. (for me anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terribleone Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Original RE40s are awful in cold weather...the compound is far too hard at low temperatures. I replaced mine this summer with Falken 452s which were getting good reviews from OC members at the time. Now it seems people are struggling with them too, I'll see how I get on this year!! Never seem to hear any complaints from people running MPSs or Vredsteins!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasso Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Never seem to hear any complaints from people running MPSs or Vredsteins!! Probably due to the price of replacing a full set of 4 boots in one go, easy option is to take the cheaper alternative. Husky has the Vred's - sure he'll comment. I wanted the MPS but I was looking at £800 (good price) for a set of 4. Whereas, the Falkens cost half that price. To be honest I think I may try the Vred's unless I feel flush and go for the MPS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terribleone Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Never seem to hear any complaints from people running MPSs or Vredsteins!! Probably due to the price of replacing a full set of 4 boots in one go, easy option is to take the cheaper alternative. Husky has the Vred's - sure he'll comment. I wanted the MPS but I was looking at £800 (good price) for a set of 4. Whereas, the Falkens cost half that price. To be honest I think I may try the Vred's unless I feel flush and go for the MPS? I think I'll stretch to Vreds next time...I'm not as impressed with the Falkens as I thought I would be from people's reviews of them at the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarmac@TarmacSportz Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Just drive steady... No performance cars are that good in the winter imo. I had a 4wd scooby STI and I reckon that was worse than the Zed .... Might sound daft but I pull off in 2nd gear when its bad weather, theres enough torque to pull it and your not spinning the rears. Also be gentle with tyre gel and similar products as if you get that stuff near the tread then you will be skating off the road. Be careful Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wasso Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I think the value of the Falkens is for sure a winner and to be fair isn't far wrong from the more expensive brands. There's a lot worse for your money I'm sure. Then again tyre prefference is normally goverened by the driver.... I have a fluid right foot and as such feel the Falkens don't perform to my requirements. I also didn't like them on the ring, not the greatest amount of grip I have to say, which actually lowered my confidence with them. I'm hoping to wear out my Falkens by April to test some Vred's or MPS? But then I need new wheels before then - so I guess the price is going to be a little painful! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 This entire thread reminds me exactly why I never scrimp on tyres. They're the only thing keeping you in contact with the road, after all. 452 are sh*t T1R are sh*t VUS are good PS2 are amazing RE050A are amazing Depends on how much you want to end up in a ditch, really. That said, even the greatest of tyres or 4WD won't make up for ham-fisted control of a car in bad conditions. If it's that slippy, then just don't drive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husky Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 genuinely no problem so far in rain, flood, ice etc. been very good. before them i had a mix of re040's and nankangs, bothe were absolutely awful when it got cold or wet, really ruined the car. EDIT: but next time i will be buying MPS2's I tried re050's also and didnt get on with them, although later found out i had been supplied runflats which would account for the odd feel, hence me not really mentioning them as its not a fair review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff-r Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 This entire thread reminds me exactly why I never scrimp on tyres. They're the only thing keeping you in contact with the road, after all. 452 are sh*t T1R are sh*t VUS are good PS2 are amazing RE050A are amazing Depends on how much you want to end up in a ditch, really. That said, even the greatest of tyres or 4WD won't make up for ham-fisted control of a car in bad conditions. If it's that slippy, then just don't drive! Sums it all up really, tyres are so important. I pay extra for mine but I know they're going to do the job I want. That said I don't take my Nissan out in icy weather and I try not to in wet weather, it's a fair weather car. For everything else I use my A3 Quattro but I'm intrigued to see how well it will (or most likely won't) handle in the icy conditions especially considering it has 18" wheels on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
un1eash Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I'm going for RE050A's, will be worth the extra £200 for a set. i have T1R's on the mr2 and they are terrible in the wet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Tbh 4wd or rwd is the sAme once you break. If you drive a nice car why not get some winter tyres? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geoff-r Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 Tbh 4wd or rwd is the sAme once you break. If you drive a nice car why not get some winter tyres? I'd say 4WD is worse when you break, all wheels power you into the loss of traction rather than the back overtaking the front. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RisingPower Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 This entire thread reminds me exactly why I never scrimp on tyres. They're the only thing keeping you in contact with the road, after all. 452 are sh*t T1R are sh*t VUS are good PS2 are amazing RE050A are amazing Depends on how much you want to end up in a ditch, really. That said, even the greatest of tyres or 4WD won't make up for ham-fisted control of a car in bad conditions. If it's that slippy, then just don't drive! Budget tyres are sh*t, 452's seem quite reasonable so far. Ok so they're not ps2's, but for the price you wouldn't expect them to be. Can't say I've been sliding all over the place on 452's so far? The run down ze912's and no branded tyres at the front however, that was more interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spursmaddave Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 I have absolutely no problems with my RE050A's and they still have 5mm after 14K miles Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisS Posted November 16, 2010 Share Posted November 16, 2010 When it gets twitchy over here I drop the pressures. 33 front 32 rear. Works for me,and of course a light right foot. I don't do big miles in the winter so the tyre wear is not noticeable for me. (Falken 452s) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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