Ekona Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Demolition49: I have EXACTLY the same problem. I have PS2's on the front and Falkens on the rear. Let me guess, you find the back end very twitchy? It's because the Michelins have far more grip in all conditions than the Falkens. Get some PS2s to match on the back, you'll really notice a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 if they are 18's they should be 245/45/18 rear and 225/45/18 front if those arent the sizes you have fitted this may be the cause of your problem Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicon2k Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Demolition49: I have EXACTLY the same problem. I have PS2's on the front and Falkens on the rear. Let me guess, you find the back end very twitchy? It's because the Michelins have far more grip in all conditions than the Falkens. Get some PS2s to match on the back, you'll really notice a huge difference. Yeah, i knew this would be the case when i bought them. I had to do it just after mas and i just did not have the money to spend so i had to go for the falkens. I will be back to the michelins very soon tho. The diffrence really is amazing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rentech Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Sorry, I can't see how different tyres makes (front to rear) would cause such an reaction from the traction control. Accelerating, braking, turning, road surface, tyre pressures...does anyone really think that the load and grip provided by 4 identical tyres would be equal? If you've got the car on the limit then yes, eventually one tyre will be the first to give but it doesn’t sound like the car is on the limit in this particular case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
From A to Zed Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I totally concur with Dan’s comments on a mixed axle set up. I had the same problem with my 350z when I bought it. The dealer ‘kindly’ agreed to replace the rear tyres (the front Bridgestones were fine) but they fitted a pair of Avon Z33's to rear. The car was a death trap, simple as that. The first time I drove the car out in the wet I found myself correcting a slide at less than 40mph on a closed throttle i.e. total loss of mechanical grip, not oversteer. I am talking about turn in a 40mph street not here, not throwing the car into a T-junction or a 90 degree bend. I replaced all four tyres immediately and although the Falkens are not perfect they’re leagues ahead of a mixed set up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I totally concur with Dan’s comments on a mixed axle set up. I had the same problem with my 350z when I bought it. The dealer ‘kindly’ agreed to replace the rear tyres (the front Bridgestones were fine) but they fitted a pair of Avon Z33's to rear. The car was a death trap, simple as that. The first time I drove the car out in the wet I found myself correcting a slide at less than 40mph on a closed throttle i.e. total loss of mechanical grip, not oversteer. I am talking about turn in a 40mph street not here, not throwing the car into a T-junction or a 90 degree bend. I replaced all four tyres immediately and although the Falkens are not perfect they’re leagues ahead of a mixed set up. So both you and Demo49 have(had) the Avon Z33's on the rear with Stones on the front and both getting similar problems - think that says it all........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demolition49 Posted June 7, 2010 Author Share Posted June 7, 2010 I totally concur with Dan’s comments on a mixed axle set up. I had the same problem with my 350z when I bought it. The dealer ‘kindly’ agreed to replace the rear tyres (the front Bridgestones were fine) but they fitted a pair of Avon Z33's to rear. The car was a death trap, simple as that. The first time I drove the car out in the wet I found myself correcting a slide at less than 40mph on a closed throttle i.e. total loss of mechanical grip, not oversteer. I am talking about turn in a 40mph street not here, not throwing the car into a T-junction or a 90 degree bend. I replaced all four tyres immediately and although the Falkens are not perfect they’re leagues ahead of a mixed set up. Worrying I shall get the falkens ordered up today! Unless sombody thinks its not the tyres? Im a bit peed off by this, the dealer has actually created more hassle for me than i needed but oh well cant wait to get the falkens on now and thats another 450 down the drain Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
From A to Zed Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Hi Colin, yes I had exactly the same set up as the OP. The front was glued to the road but the rear was extremely unpredictable. There was no progression at all, just a sudden and total loss of grip under no acceleration. The 350z was my first RWD car and I had read about the ‘lively rear’ so I initially put this down to my lack of my experience / the new car. Incidents such as the above made it apparent that new tyres were needed. Go a for a new set of new boots mate. A few hundred quid now is far better than ending up in an armco or a ditch. Matt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
From A to Zed Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 If you're looking at a budget option the Falken or Toyo are both good choices. Lots of members are running them with little or no complaints. Cheers, Matt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 As i said before (though no-one seems to have seen it lol) I have the Avon ZZ3's all round and am experiencing no problems - i dont think the Avons are to blame but more, as others have said, the combo of the two different sets...... So unless someone has something particually (Sp??!!) bad to say about the Avons i would probably just match the fronts to the rears. But as i say i am no expert, nor am i claiming the Avons are a super tyre - just that i am happy with mine and havn't experienced the issues you have raised whilst using them. Jak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 You're always better to have a matched set all round, even four Nankang ditchfinders are better than mixed anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Agreed - Though surely the Avons arn't quite ditch finders though?? They really don't seem that bad to me..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I've never tried them to be honest, although looking at the tread pattern I suspect they're more water-friendly than either the T1R or 452, but probably worse off in the dry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rattusmaxim Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Agreed - Though surely the Avons arn't quite ditch finders though?? They really don't seem that bad to me..... I had 4 new Avons put on a couple of weeks ago and have been well impressed with them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demolition49 Posted June 7, 2010 Author Share Posted June 7, 2010 So maybe to save myself some £££'s i should just replace the fronts to avon Z33? Just i find if anybody actually thought they were any good more people would use them? And according to this chart they are pretty low down but cost more than the falkens on camskill? http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Tyres_For/Nissan/350z.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 It's up to you at the end of the day mate, just thought i'd make the case for the avons as i have found them to be fine - that said the Falkens would seem to be a safe bet as they are often rated well on here..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demolition49 Posted June 7, 2010 Author Share Posted June 7, 2010 It's up to you at the end of the day mate, just thought i'd make the case for the avons as i have found them to be fine - that said the Falkens would seem to be a safe bet as they are often rated well on here..... Your probably right but i think because of my bad experience with them im going to ditch the avons and go all round falken 452's in the long rong they are also cheaper to replace when the rears run out of rubber. So look out for some avon z33 rears basically brand new if your interested! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jak Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Ha Ha, nice try but i'll get new wheels when i need new tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bounty78 Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 I have had similar problem when i was going round a tight and sharp bent, was only doing 30mph and the TC kicks in. My bridgestone RE040 fronts are near the legal limits. Have just bought a set of 4 falken 452 from Camskill for just over £400 delivered. After reading lots of post here on mixing tyres, i have decided to change the rear as well to Falken even though there is still some life left in them. It's money or my safety and i chose the former. If u want the Falken 452, i would put in an order sooner rather than later as they sell very quickly. I have to wait for a pair of 245/45/R18 for couple of weeks as Camskill has run out of them. It's in the stock again. My tyres should hopefully be here tomorrow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Madmarky Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Turn off traction control Yeah if it really bothers you that much turn it off and drift the corner over taking the golf at the same time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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bronzee Posted June 8, 2010 Share Posted June 8, 2010 Demolition, don't think of it as being money down the drain, it's money invested in keeping your and your Zed stuck to the road & thusly keeping your insurance claims and premiums lower. Far more important. Good tyres, brakes, suspension, before superficial mods in my book. Tyres make a massive difference, as soon as you have a matching set all the way around, you should notice the change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demolition49 Posted June 9, 2010 Author Share Posted June 9, 2010 Spoke to a guy today who said all you guys are talking @*!# and are extremeists talking about the nth degree... apparently the car should be fine? What can i say to this? And how can a little bit of rubber mean the car goes wobbly around a motorway bend at 60 that is a bit odd... surely if i switch to falkens they wont enable me to go 120 around the corner?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UNABASHED Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Spoke to a guy today who said all you guys are talking @*!# and are extremeists talking about the nth degree... apparently the car should be fine? What can i say to this? And how can a little bit of rubber mean the car goes wobbly around a motorway bend at 60 that is a bit odd... surely if i switch to falkens they wont enable me to go 120 around the corner?! who is the genius who told you that, local kwik-fit man? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted June 9, 2010 Share Posted June 9, 2010 Spoke to a guy today who said all you guys are talking @*!# and are extremeists talking about the nth degree... apparently the car should be fine? What can i say to this? We have enough folk on here who have had the same problem, followed the advice and then had no problems to know it works. We're not physicists talking about theory here. surely if i switch to falkens they wont enable me to go 120 around the corner?! I'm hoping that's a rhetorical question... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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