Dyno Results dissapointment.........

[MattG]

My two comments and the whole point in making them, is based on the fact that people are remarking on there 350Zs not making the quoted power on the dyno, and Abby's remark about it taking 5-6 runs to achieve this, and the further comment that the ECU is a learning type.

 

So my conclusion is that if you are going to spend X amount on induction and exhaust mods, but only see a real increase when the ECU is remapped, but then not be able to use this extra power when you want, without driving it like you stole it for a couple of miles first, to me this kind of defeats the whole object! and i think it would for most people.

 

This has nothing to do with driving ability, do you really think that most people who mod these cars are actually going to go to performance driver training first, because they have come to the conclusion that their car is not quick enough for them?

 

Doesn't having it remapped remove the behaviour you are talking about though? My impression was that until it is remapped the ecu is a law unto itself, but once it's done it stays in "performance mode" all the time. Presumably this would mean that remapped cars can be put on the dyno and give a reliable figure with a single run.

[Tricky-Ricky]

My two comments and the whole point in making them, is based on the fact that people are remarking on there 350Zs not making the quoted power on the dyno, and Abby's remark about it taking 5-6 runs to achieve this, and the further comment that the ECU is a learning type.

 

So my conclusion is that if you are going to spend X amount on induction and exhaust mods, but only see a real increase when the ECU is remapped, but then not be able to use this extra power when you want, without driving it like you stole it for a couple of miles first, to me this kind of defeats the whole object! and i think it would for most people.

 

This has nothing to do with driving ability, do you really think that most people who mod these cars are actually going to go to performance driver training first, because they have come to the conclusion that their car is not quick enough for them?

 

Doesn't having it remapped remove the behaviour you are talking about though? My impression was that until it is remapped the ecu is a law unto itself, but once it's done it stays in "performance mode" all the time. Presumably this would mean that remapped cars can be put on the dyno and give a reliable figure with a single run.

 

 

Now had an answer on another thread from Abby, and it seems that the Uprev basically deletes the ECUs ability to switch to the default maps (IE safe maps should heavy knock be encountered) which kind of worries me, it basically sticks to the more aggressive fuelling and timing maps to achieve the boost in performance,

I would very much like to get hold of the software and see for myself just what parameters are actually available to modify/edit in the ECU.

[andlid]

My two comments and the whole point in making them, is based on the fact that people are remarking on there 350Zs not making the quoted power on the dyno, and Abby's remark about it taking 5-6 runs to achieve this, and the further comment that the ECU is a learning type.

 

So my conclusion is that if you are going to spend X amount on induction and exhaust mods, but only see a real increase when the ECU is remapped, but then not be able to use this extra power when you want, without driving it like you stole it for a couple of miles first, to me this kind of defeats the whole object! and i think it would for most people.

 

This has nothing to do with driving ability, do you really think that most people who mod these cars are actually going to go to performance driver training first, because they have come to the conclusion that their car is not quick enough for them?

 

Doesn't having it remapped remove the behaviour you are talking about though? My impression was that until it is remapped the ecu is a law unto itself, but once it's done it stays in "performance mode" all the time. Presumably this would mean that remapped cars can be put on the dyno and give a reliable figure with a single run.

 

 

Now had an answer on another thread from Abby, and it seems that the Uprev basically deletes the ECUs ability to switch to the default maps (IE safe maps should heavy knock be encountered) which kind of worries me, it basically sticks to the more aggressive fuelling and timing maps to achieve the boost in performance,

I would very much like to get hold of the software and see for myself just what parameters are actually available to modify/edit in the ECU.

go get the osiris tuner software here http://www.uprev.com/products.php

[Tricky-Ricky]

Thanks i will.

[Stew]

Is the Osiris software compatible with UK ECUs?

 

I seem to remember an issue. I'll happily stand corrected though.

[3FIDDYZ]

Is the Osiris software compatible with UK ECUs?

 

I seem to remember an issue. I'll happily stand corrected though.

 

Osiris = Uprev

[Mark@Abbey m/s]

Now had an answer on another thread from Abby, and it seems that the Uprev basically deletes the ECUs ability to switch to the default maps (IE safe maps should heavy knock be encountered) which kind of worries me, it basically sticks to the more aggressive fuelling and timing maps to achieve the boost in performance,

I would very much like to get hold of the software and see for myself just what parameters are actually available to modify/edit in the ECU.

 

 

No it doesn't , where did you read that , the car after deleting the self learn will run on the HIGH Det map i.e lower ignition numbers (SAFE) it will THEN add timing listening to the knock sensor suntil it is back to the LOW det figures (more agressive)

 

We do not switch anything off in the ECU , just tune the learn figures to enable a SAFE map.

 

I think we just refine the stock map.

[andlid]

[Tricky-Ricky]

Now had an answer on another thread from Abby, and it seems that the Uprev basically deletes the ECUs ability to switch to the default maps (IE safe maps should heavy knock be encountered) which kind of worries me, it basically sticks to the more aggressive fuelling and timing maps to achieve the boost in performance,

I would very much like to get hold of the software and see for myself just what parameters are actually available to modify/edit in the ECU.

 

 

No it doesn't , where did you read that , the car after deleting the self learn will run on the HIGH Det map i.e lower ignition numbers (SAFE) it will THEN add timing listening to the knock sensor suntil it is back to the LOW det figures (more agressive)

 

We do not switch anything off in the ECU , just tune the learn figures to enable a SAFE map.

 

I think we just refine the stock map.

 

 

Sorry i must have misunderstood your post on Uprev, i got the impression from what you have said in other posts that the learning ability was stopped, so the ECU was forced to run the more aggressive maps,

You now say the that this ability is still retained.

I was just trying to get more information on the ECU and its accessibility via Uprev and other interfaces, as i said on your other thread.

You are understandably somewhat reluctant to discuss this i depth which i can appreciate, for obvious reasons.

I can see i am just banging my head against the wall here, and some other members are getting a bit sarky because they couldn't see where i was going with this, so i will seek my info elsewhere now, and stop bothering people.

[andymc]

Tricky,

 

Don't worrry about all the noise going on. My suggestion is to give Mark@Abbey a quick call. He'll answer all your questions fully and put your mind at ease. I had my car mapped mid last year@Abbey and found them to be fantastic and answer all your questions .... I think this type of subject is best dealt with either face to face or on the phone... forums don't do it justice.

 

go on .... give him a bell

[Chris`I]

Tricky,

 

Don't worrry about all the noise going on. My suggestion is to give Mark@Abbey a quick call. He'll answer all your questions fully and put your mind at ease. I had my car mapped mid last year@Abbey and found them to be fantastic and answer all your questions .... I think this type of subject is best dealt with either face to face or on the phone... forums don't do it justice.

 

go on .... give him a bell

+1 - a lot can be lost in text, like the context of what people are saying, speaking in person or on the phone will get you the details a lot quicker

[andlid]

Tricky,

 

Don't worrry about all the noise going on. My suggestion is to give Mark@Abbey a quick call. He'll answer all your questions fully and put your mind at ease. I had my car mapped mid last year@Abbey and found them to be fantastic and answer all your questions .... I think this type of subject is best dealt with either face to face or on the phone... forums don't do it justice.

 

go on .... give him a bell

+1 - a lot can be lost in text, like the context of what people are saying, speaking in person or on the phone will get you the details a lot quicker

but then I can't read it...

[Chris`I]

Tricky,

 

Don't worrry about all the noise going on. My suggestion is to give Mark@Abbey a quick call. He'll answer all your questions fully and put your mind at ease. I had my car mapped mid last year@Abbey and found them to be fantastic and answer all your questions .... I think this type of subject is best dealt with either face to face or on the phone... forums don't do it justice.

 

go on .... give him a bell

+1 - a lot can be lost in text, like the context of what people are saying, speaking in person or on the phone will get you the details a lot quicker

but then I can't read it...

But he will have more time to write up the explaination he gets than Mark has

[rtbiscuit]

i'll hopefully be there next friday, am booked in, will see what i can find out for you then ricky.

 

if you have a list of questions write them down and i'll take them with me.

 

or if you prefer i'll do a write up of my experience there.

 

there are very few garages i'd trust my car with especially when it comes to playing with the ECU, but i feel quite happy for them to play with it. just have a look at their rep with things like the skylines. 350z are just a small part of what they do. but they do it very well.

 

not heard from anyone on here who has had a bad experience, or a problem after. have heard of other tuning places that have.

[Valveman]

I had my 2006 Zed remapped at Abbey last week. Mark made a bloody superb job and although it made more power and torque (especially more torque) than before you would not believe how much better the car feels to drive. The engine is now incredibly smooth and refined, much more responsive and feels (an sounds) like a planer crank V8. I don't think the dyno plot means a great deal apart from just being a rough guide to what improvements have been made and where in the rev range. The real test is how it drives on the road (or track).

 

Mark can also give you several different maps options to select but you would have to discuss this with him.

 

Just to give you an idea I reckon my 350Z now feels it has about as much power and torque as my E46 M3 (which had 350hp). Also don't forget this M3 engine was originally a race designed motor.

 

Based on my experience (and I am a fussy bugger) I can whole-heartedly recommend Mark and Abbey for their work and services.

[andlid]

Tricky,

 

Don't worrry about all the noise going on. My suggestion is to give Mark@Abbey a quick call. He'll answer all your questions fully and put your mind at ease. I had my car mapped mid last year@Abbey and found them to be fantastic and answer all your questions .... I think this type of subject is best dealt with either face to face or on the phone... forums don't do it justice.

 

go on .... give him a bell

+1 - a lot can be lost in text, like the context of what people are saying, speaking in person or on the phone will get you the details a lot quicker

but then I can't read it...

But he will have more time to write up the explaination he gets than Mark has

true.... my bad

[MattMe]

Interesting thread so far...

 

So how much does a re-map cost on average?

 

Also, I'm in nottingham (Midlands) and I'm aware Abbey are in the South, so does anyone have any recommendations for a decent trust-worthy garage around these parts? If not a long drive may be necessary later in the year...

 

Has anyone noticed the remaps giving improved mpg alongside the improved performance?

[MattG]

Interesting thread so far...

 

So how much does a re-map cost on average?

 

Also, I'm in nottingham (Midlands) and I'm aware Abbey are in the South, so does anyone have any recommendations for a decent trust-worthy garage around these parts? If not a long drive may be necessary later in the year...

 

Has anyone noticed the remaps giving improved mpg alongside the improved performance?

 

You have a choice of Abbey in the south or RSTuning in the north (Leeds). Most people have seen a small improvement in MPG judging by what I've read.

[rich5259]

Interesting thread so far...

 

So how much does a re-map cost on average?

 

Also, I'm in nottingham (Midlands) and I'm aware Abbey are in the South, so does anyone have any recommendations for a decent trust-worthy garage around these parts? If not a long drive may be necessary later in the year...

 

Has anyone noticed the remaps giving improved mpg alongside the improved performance?

 

If you just want a "garage" and not a re-tune, CS is in Leicester so not too far from you - might cost you a bit in mods thought, i hear he has some really nice stuff there

[shieldsie]

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Interesting thread so far...

 

So how much does a re-map cost on average?

 

Also, I'm in nottingham (Midlands) and I'm aware Abbey are in the South, so does anyone have any recommendations for a decent trust-worthy garage around these parts? If not a long drive may be necessary later in the year...

 

Has anyone noticed the remaps giving improved mpg alongside the improved performance?

 

You have a choice of Abbey in the south or RSTuning in the north (Leeds). Most people have seen a small improvement in MPG judging by what I've read.

 

I am very interested in this also, but am very of letting someone carry out work on the car. Abbey get all the comments on here regarding the uprvs etc, and very little said about RSTuning. I am Bradford only 10 minutes from Leeds, so RSTuning would be my first choice due to been local. Are RSTuning in the know with the 350 has Abbey are??

[MattG]

I am very interested in this also, but am very of letting someone carry out work on the car. Abbey get all the comments on here regarding the uprvs etc, and very little said about RSTuning. I am Bradford only 10 minutes from Leeds, so RSTuning would be my first choice due to been local. Are RSTuning in the know with the 350 has Abbey are??

 

Abbey do anything and everything for the 350Z including major mods such as Superchargers, Turbo Kits, built engines, etc. RSTuning are just mapping specialists really but they are very good at what they do, they just don't get onto the forum much. They've also done minor mechanical mods for some members such as fitting plenum spacers prior to a remap.

 

As good as Abbey are, if all you want is a remap then I can't see any point in driving to the other end of the country when RS Tuning are just around the corner.

[quicksilver]

Don't worry I got the exact same results last year when I had mine dyno'd 256bhp. I had a pop charger as my only mod and the car had just had the plugs changed and a P3 service.

Was gutted and nearly sold the car Gonna get mine tuned this year but at the end of the day as long as the car runs fine and is good on the road who cares about poxy dyno figures that mean nothing anyway.

I'm sure your car is fine, the only power loser will be the popcharger and that can't be much.