lilsheepshagga_turbo Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 hi guys n girl. i was down at A.A.S today which is a custom exhaust fabricator etc. i was after some custom cats but unfortunately i've been informed that this was a major no no. there has been a new law passed that post 2001 cars have to have a stamp on the cats and that these can not be provided by him. aftermarket cats are suddenly now not for road use.. u may wanna check your cats guys. the fine is supposedly 5k per cat so a 10k fine for us ps: this law was put in to the house of parliaments in july 13th i believe and passed in august rather quietly. this is crap -ho newhoo read away Doesn't matter who manufactures them - it's a case of whether they are type approved. The Motor Vehicles Regulations 2009 (SI 2009 No. 1899) and the Motor Cycle Regulations 2009 (SI 2009 No. 1896) came into effect on 13/08/2009. This is from a document I came across that explains it: 1. Requirements for catalytic converters Type approved catalytic converters The MV Regulations apply to replacement catalytic converters intended for cars (category M1) and light vans (category N1) that are fitted with (or were fitted with when the original certificate of conformity for the vehicle was issued) an original equipment catalytic converter and were first used on or after 1st March 2001. The MV regulations permit the sale and installation of new original and non-original replacement catalytic converters for these vehicles only if the replacements are marked in accordance with the MV Regulations and, in the case of sales, are accompanied by the information specified in, the MV Regulations. The marking requirements for original and non-original replacement catalytic converters are different. Original replacements must be clearly and indelibly marked with the vehicle manufacturer’s name or trademark, and the make and identifying part number of the replacement. Non-original replacements must be clearly and indelibly marked with an EC (or if appropriate ECE) Type Approval mark and, wherever possible, be visible when the unit is installed on the vehicle. All new catalytic converters offered for sale shall be accompanied by certain information: • The vehicle manufacturer’s name or trademark and the make and identifying part number (for original replacement catalytic converter) of the unit • The catalytic converter manufacturer’s name or trademark (for non-original replacement catalytic converter) • The vehicle(s) for which the catalytic converter is type approved (non-original catalytic converters) or for which the catalyst is covered by the type approval for the vehicle, including, where applicable, a marking to identify if the product is suitable for a vehicle equipped with an on – board diagnostic (OBD) system • Installation instructions, where necessary This information must be available in the product catalogue distributed to points of sale by the vehicle or catalyst manufacturer. It may also be provided either as a leaflet accompanying the catalytic converter, on the packaging in which the catalytic converter is sold or by any other applicable means. Non – type approved catalytic converters Non type approved replacement catalytic converters can be offered for sale and fitted to vehicles registered before 1st March 2001 or vehicles registered at any time which are certified under the Single Vehicle Approval scheme (SVA). These replacement catalytic converters must be marked or labelled with the message: “ILLEGAL TO SUPPLY FOR TYPE-APPROVED VEHICLES FIRST USED ON OR AFTER 1/3/01†Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rtbiscuit Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 oh dear, might be worth building a list of ones that are approved, as from the wording not all are illegal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 From what I read it must be approved by the EC or ECE like British Standards. Probably to stop cheap imports from outside the EU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lilsheepshagga_turbo Posted January 20, 2010 Author Share Posted January 20, 2010 well my bud down at aas said companies such as milltek dont even have these stamps so it shows how serious this is. summin to do with the cats cant be to outaline in flow rate compared to the standard cats so free flowing hfc's are 200 cpi/cel will be no good.. well thats what i gather from it so time will tell what the truth is i suppose.. -ho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dblock Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 TBH I dont think anyone will notice as long as youy exhaust isnt silly loud and it passed mot then I dont think anyone will do anything. I used to run a decat on my old car. I never got stopped as I didnt drive like a loon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMANALEX Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 Oh dear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gaz Walker Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 It's pretty crap, but chances of getting caught, slim to none. I've NEVER heard of a single customer being caught with a de-cat or sport cat on the road in over 7 years. MOT tester's aren't going to care - if it passes an emissions test then they aren't going to care what you have fitted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yokomo Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 It's pretty crap, but chances of getting caught, slim to none. I've NEVER heard of a single customer being caught with a de-cat or sport cat on the road in over 7 years. MOT tester's aren't going to care - if it passes an emissions test then they aren't going to care what you have fitted. +1 not like the MOT tester is going to go say "ok sir your passed the mot fine but when i got it on the rmaps and cleaned up your cats we could see you had berks on there" nor is any roadside stoppage going to emissions check you , have the car pass then check the right make of cats. can you the copper getting down on the ground crawling about by the road under a Z ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yokomo Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 hmmmm http://www.opsi.gov.uk/si/si2009/uksi_20091899_en_1 found that ,doesnt metion any technical regs (but that could be else where) , seems ot suggest that they must be approved and dont have to be OE. if tey are saying OE then all car manufactureers have every driver over a barrel and would start charging really silly prices for cats and make them all fail quickly . but that sjust my 2 pence worth. update little digging about on this seems ot suggest they WONT be checking peoples cars but the places selling and installing the systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 One could even buy a metal stamp and just emboss a manufacturers name and serial number (real or otherwise) onto a cat, if one so desired... /walks off whistling nonchalantly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yokomo Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 tbh i dont see it being of a real issue , people been decating for years and thats easy to spot etc. one thing i did notice was somewher suggested metal substrates wouldnt get approved only ceramics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gaz Walker Posted January 20, 2010 Share Posted January 20, 2010 One could even buy a metal stamp and just emboss a manufacturers name and serial number (real or otherwise) onto a cat, if one so desired... /walks off whistling nonchalantly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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