bobby Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Hi bobby I understand what you are saying, but Nissan parts dont warrant Ferrari price tag, nor do Nissan customer service come close to that of Ferrari, Porsche or Lambo customer care, hence amazes me how they can asked for similar service charge. If its half the price of the top supercars, then the service should be halved too. Its only half the price cos parts are cheaper than that of its competitors. Just my opinion, gorgeous car though and performance is spectacular, just shame of all hidden costs I completely agree with you! but since we are all in unison enjoying a nissan product, and even though we get crap service from the dealerships, we have to agree that the product is good. Could it possibly be that Nissan is a mass producer of varied products and therefore able to make a GTR with low profit/unit? Ferrari, Lambo and Porsche make much more profit/unit and coupled with the fact that they dont have a varied portfolio of products to sell....they therefore command a higher price? With regard to Parts prices...I dont know yet if nissan GTR parts are comparable to Ferrari parts or not...It could be?? But then maybe it wont be and nissan are charging higher? point here is we dont yet know. Chesterfield: I do agree with you that GTR out on track will void warranty if the owner does not follow Nissan's rules of service etc...not fair compared to other makes..I agree. Again all part of running a supercar with big bills! the only manufacturer I would rate high for performance cars is Porsche...So I completely agree with you on your point of running a 911TT compared to GTR. no comebacks on that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesterfield Posted April 14, 2009 Share Posted April 14, 2009 Im going to go the splinters in backside route and sit on the fence regarding the GTR until real world reviews and ownership experiences in the UK have come out. Although I cant take anything away from its performance, I do have reservations over how this translates to customer owenership outside of the glitzy world of the press. For the moment Im just glad Im not sitting ona £55k Nissan in todays economic climate. I would have thought there is a very real chance of negative equity on these for those on finance if the depreciation is severe enough. Its great to see them finally hitting our roads, and monetary and service issues aside, Id love to drive one. Its just not for me right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AK350Z Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I suspect the GTR is designed to be sold as a loss-leader (or at the most, sold at cost), The high cost of servicing wouldn't be such a surprise if it was over £100k - A bit like the V-Spec pehaps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobby Posted April 15, 2009 Author Share Posted April 15, 2009 that's the whole point...you dont need to spend 100k to get a machine with the GTR capabilities. You will need to spend like a 100k car on the running costs to keep on top of that performance! A lot of people cant comprehend a 55k car having service bills of a 100k car...unfortunately..thats how it goes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polarbear Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 looks nice, but i'd be worried about the service costs and other "hidden" costs. My boss at work cancelled his the other week as he has had enough of nissan, they provided no customer care nor made him feel like your family did. +1 on the customer service Porsche sent me a Cayman S track day invitation after just popping in to take a look at the new model! Nissan won't even give me the time of day despite buying 2 x £30k+ cars from them in under 4 years Several (waiting list??) GT-Rs in this week's Times motoring section at list price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lulu! Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 I can fully appreciate everyones point of view and it is a shame that some Nissan Dealers haven't risen to the occassion. My dad is aware of the expense of running a car of this performance and only aims to keep the car for about 1 year. It has been his dream to own a car like this and has worked to build his own company from scratch so i think he is happy to throw money at the car and drive around with a big grin on his face when the engine starts to purrrr. He did toy with the idea of a Porsche but felt that he would give Nissan a try having had a great time with the 350Z. He may well turn to the Aston/Porsche in a few years time but wanted a car that was unique and around the dining table when the 'what do you drive' question pops up he just wants to say Nissan and see the reaction when the performance figures start to get batted around lol Thank you for all your comments and I will keep you up dated with the running costs as im sure future buyers will be interested in this. cheers lu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H5 Posted April 15, 2009 Share Posted April 15, 2009 Got one for all the right reasons then Lu! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 For the moment Im just glad Im not sitting ona £55k Nissan in todays economic climate. I would have thought there is a very real chance of negative equity on these for those on finance if the depreciation is severe enough. +100!!!! There are lots of deluded people on GTROC thinking that the cache of the GT-R was going to ensure that it held its price above list for over a year! I've read posts of people financing them with a view to keeping them for a year and selling them for what they paid for them Silly boys. Not even Ferrari's have waiting lists now..... There are plenty of them for sale now at list or below as they all panic having committed to the car 12 months ago before the world economy melted.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zedrush Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 Got one for all the right reasons then Lu! +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev-the-Rev Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 looks nice, but i'd be worried about the service costs and other "hidden" costs. My boss at work cancelled his the other week as he has had enough of nissan, they provided no customer care nor made him feel like your family did. He is now the owner of a Gallardo spider. Someone else who thought much the same. http://www.lancerregister.com/showthrea ... Nissan+GTR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl114 Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 looks nice, but i'd be worried about the service costs and other "hidden" costs. My boss at work cancelled his the other week as he has had enough of nissan, they provided no customer care nor made him feel like your family did. He is now the owner of a Gallardo spider. Someone else who thought much the same. http://www.lancerregister.com/showthrea ... Nissan+GTR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted April 16, 2009 Share Posted April 16, 2009 looks nice, but i'd be worried about the service costs and other "hidden" costs. My boss at work cancelled his the other week as he has had enough of nissan, they provided no customer care nor made him feel like your family did. He is now the owner of a Gallardo spider. Someone else who thought much the same. http://www.lancerregister.com/showthrea ... Nissan+GTR Those prices are a joke. Its one thing having a car for £55k that is the equal of £120k cars but when the running cost exceed £120k car then somebody got their numbers wrong........they would of been better off pitching it at £70k (Still £30k-£50k more than other cars) and undercutting them on services and running costs......and 6 monthly services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WoREoD Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Where's this £100k figure come from? My servicing schedula for the first two years is less than £5k...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Where's this £100k figure come from? My servicing schedula for the first two years is less than £5k...... Which isn't ridiculous for a car of that performance. How much are pre/post track iinspections? I guess you'll be taking it to the 'ring so will be interested to see your reviews of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digsy Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Where's this £100k figure come from? My servicing schedula for the first two years is less than £5k...... Which isn't ridiculous for a car of that performance. But twice that of a 997 Turbo if the Lancer guy is correct.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Where's this £100k figure come from? My servicing schedula for the first two years is less than £5k...... Which isn't ridiculous for a car of that performance. But twice that of a 997 Turbo if the Lancer guy is correct.... The 911 Turbo is actually pretty reasonable to run from my reading on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Where's this £100k figure come from? My servicing schedula for the first two years is less than £5k...... Which isn't ridiculous for a car of that performance. But twice that of a 997 Turbo if the Lancer guy is correct.... The 911 Turbo is actually pretty reasonable to run from my reading on it. Sounds bloody cheap compared to the GTR.......................... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Where's this £100k figure come from? My servicing schedula for the first two years is less than £5k...... Which isn't ridiculous for a car of that performance. But twice that of a 997 Turbo if the Lancer guy is correct.... The 911 Turbo is actually pretty reasonable to run from my reading on it. Sounds bloody cheap compared to the GTR.......................... Compared to any fancy machine. Remembering reading a bit (maybe in evo or maybe Northo from PH who owns Rio Prestige in Scotland) about ownership costs. All the lambos, Astons etc were horrendous costs in a year. It was a supercar club or prestige hire firm so the cars were doing a decent milage. The 911 turbo needed 1 service at £250 (or something similar) and that was it! Every other car was 5 times that for a year. It sort of goes with Louis' reasoning why he wouldn't by a porsche - get a bit of money and buy a 911 to use everyday..... It's EXACTLY why people buy them to use everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesterfield Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 From this document: [attachment=0]GT-R Indicative Service Pricing 240209.pdf[/attachment] I get the costs for 24 months to over £5800 inc VAT if requiring a set of discs and pads all round. I would think though, to get through a set of discs and pads in that time will take some doing wont it? I would suppose a few track days will mean the change is necessary though. But then I hear you have to pay £800 for a "post track" inspection in oredr to keep your warranty in tact. At just two track days a year that bumps the costs to over £9,000 for two years. I would hope Ive done my sums wrong, as that just seems plain bloody stupid. Chuck in the final year, where the service jumps to a massive £1,200 + VAT thanks to some bizzarely expensive air filter, another two track days and the three year costs I get to are north of £12,000 I would assume that given the noise that has been made about the cars track perfomance, that Nissan expect some customers to at least venture near a track. Though I see there has been somewhat less promotion surrounding the compulsory (if you want a warranty) post track inspection costs. Something which the targetted rivals dont appear to have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 I would assume that given the noise that has been made about the cars track perfomance, that Nissan expect some customers to at least venture near a track. Though I see there has been somewhat less promotion surrounding the compulsory (if you want a warranty) post track inspection costs. Something which the targetted rivals dont appear to have. Ask ZMANALEX....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarnie Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 The most expensive Lambo service at a main dealer is £1995 and is only required every two years or 15k, minor service is only £795 every other year also. No prior or post track inspections needed. No loss of warranty turning the VDC off. I just get the feeling that Nissan pitched the purchase price too low and are now looking/needing to recoup as much as possible which is the wrong way of doing things imo..... With the financial hoops you have to jump through to keep the warranty you may as by a sub £50k JDM already in the country and get it serviced by indy's and stick two fingers up to Nissan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bernmc Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 A 911 turbo costs nearly double the GTR to buy. You'd still need to own the GTR a looong time and be paying double the service cost before total cost of ownership came up to that of the Porsche. Pay 5 grand a year extra, and it'll be 10 years. If you start including track day sums, then you need to do the same for the Porsche. And bear in mind that putting it into the wall is going to hurt your wallet a lot more in the Porsche. Poor customer service is unacceptable - Nissan needs to sort that out if they're trying to muscle in to the snobbery of the supercar market. But if you're whinging about running costs, you can't afford to buy a supercar - even a 60K GTR. End of story - there was no way something with the performance of the GTR was going to be cheap to run. My 13 year old R33 costs around £1500 for a new set of discs and pads all round. And I'm frightened to do the sums properly, but I suspect it hasn't cost much short of £10 grand a year to run - admittedly that's with relentlessly upgrading and fettling for road and track fun, but still. You want big toys, you'll pay. Just go and have a look through some back issues of EVO in the fast fleet section. You'll see just how much the Lambo's, Zondas etc cost. In fact EVO did a feature on running costs for a host of perfoemance cars a few years ago, and it made your eyes water. Porsche was the cheapest, but I don;t think you got much change from £15K a year on things like Lambos. As for pricing the GTR a lot higher... for goodness sake! What kind of logic is that. How long will you need to own the car to save enough on servicing before you make up a £10-£20K premium on the purchase price...! I'd rather buy for less, and then manage the running costs. EU law now says that main dealers have to honour warranties even if the cars are looked after by (prperly trained) specialists, so I suspect there will be considerable savings to be had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sl114 Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 But how accurate are those costs? I wouldnt trust anything that is circulating at the moment as so much information is confliting. This is my problem, people have their cars already, yet there is no direct information from the dealers as to what the EXACT costs are...someone else i know who has one on order has requested this information and still the dealers cannot confirm the service costs and other costs associated with the car. He has been told that the pre-track inspection is not a requriement, however the £125 (or so) costs for post track inspection is, this came from the dealer themselves but they will not put it in writing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesterfield Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Thats one of the most significant points. People have their cars sat at home now, and still dont know what the service cost is going to be less than 6 months from now. How ridiculous is that? The track day sums as far as wear and tear components will be fairly similar between the Porsche and the GTR I would think. The issue is that only one of those manufacturers appears to be insisting on a mandatory inspection after each track day at a ridiculous cost in order to keep your warranty. And even these costs havent been confirmed either. Nobody is saying that the GTR was expected to be cheap to run at all, but as it was pitched against the 911 Turbo from the off, one would have expected running costs in line with the 911 also. As it stands its getting on for double, and fast approaching Ferrari and V12 Lambo territory. But if you're whinging about running costs, you can't afford to buy a supercar Why so? Even people who can afford the costs have a right to say they are ridiculous dont they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted April 17, 2009 Share Posted April 17, 2009 Thats one of the most significant points. People have their cars sat at home now, and still dont know what the service cost is going to be less than 6 months from now. How ridiculous is that? The track day sums as far as wear and tear components will be fairly similar between the Porsche and the GTR I would think. The issue is that only one of those manufacturers appears to be insisting on a mandatory inspection after each track day at a ridiculous cost in order to keep your warranty. And even these costs havent been confirmed either. Nobody is saying that the GTR was expected to be cheap to run at all, but as it was pitched against the 911 Turbo from the off, one would have expected running costs in line with the 911 also. As it stands its getting on for double, and fast approaching Ferrari and V12 Lambo territory. But if you're whinging about running costs, you can't afford to buy a supercar Why so? Even people who can afford the costs have a right to say they are ridiculous dont they? One of my dads good mates bought a Vanquish a few years ago. He still moans about the cost of servicing it. Oh and his BONUS was £16mil last year! Just because you CAN or CANNOT afford it doewsn't mean you have to like it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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