stevezzz Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 I don't really like electric vehicles (having a 350 & a Harley) but there's a guy near me who has an electric MG midget that I see him and his son driving, I take it he converted it himself and blimey it is bonkers fast! the first time i saw it I wondered why it was so quiet, saw it again and then heard the whine ( that's the other problem) there is also an electric 350 on you tube and an insane alfa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 Fast != fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanski Posted November 14, 2020 Share Posted November 14, 2020 1 hour ago, stevezzz said: I don't really like electric vehicles (having a 350 & a Harley) but there's a guy near me who has an electric MG midget that I see him and his son driving, I take it he converted it himself and blimey it is bonkers fast! the first time i saw it I wondered why it was so quiet, saw it again and then heard the whine ( that's the other problem) there is also an electric 350 on you tube and an insane alfa I was considering converting my Beetle to electric if they ditch petrol altogether, it's not difficult but at the moment mega expensive. A kit costs £8-10k!!! But then one of the endearing features is the engine noise and the oil leaks. If the batteries can be just 1 the size and weight of a boggo 12v lead acid battery and nothing else, but the power of say curent top end Tesla's, happy days. Classics will need suspension and brakes upgrading to take the weight, but if you get the best of both worlds why not. Keeps them alive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintopete58 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Don't panic won't happen. Electric cars are quick but not for very long . BMW i8 fully charged and you rag it 17 miles what good is that Tesla winter is here every thing switch on lights heater radio they will all be waiting in a queue on the motorway to charge up . And we have charging points in the streets cables everywhere trip hazards health @ safety will have field day . And when the green party realise how do we dispose of all these batteries will be like nuclear waste Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pintopete58 Posted November 15, 2020 Share Posted November 15, 2020 Also have a guy at work who owns a 13 plate bmw i3 free road tax ALL new one's are £500 because they are over 40k unless bmw have moved the goal posts Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GranTurismoEra Posted November 17, 2020 Share Posted November 17, 2020 we need to find an alternative biofuel and push that as an alternative. As everything electric is not realistic for everyone. I like the idea of Cleaner fuel as opposed to just electric Eventually there will be many petrol cars converted to electric 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 15/11/2020 at 15:05, pintopete58 said: Also have a guy at work who owns a 13 plate bmw i3 free road tax ALL new one's are £500 because they are over 40k unless bmw have moved the goal posts The £500 'luxury' car tax has been scrapped for EVs. All EVs are now back down to £0 VED regardless of price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanski Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 On 17/11/2020 at 23:02, GranTurismoEra said: we need to find an alternative biofuel and push that as an alternative. As everything electric is not realistic for everyone. I like the idea of Cleaner fuel as opposed to just electric Eventually there will be many petrol cars converted to electric That's what I am hoping will happen. It's the quickest way to that cleaner option, rather than creating brand new cars and tech for it. Fingers crossed ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted November 19, 2020 Author Share Posted November 19, 2020 I thought I'd look at it from the point of view of the OPEC countries, Saudi Arabia for instance. They rely on oil sales, so they'll have to think of something else to bolster their economy. Could that be hydrogen by electrolysis of sea water powered by solar ? I'm pretty sure some of these countries will be thinking along these lines and the west will be looking to sign them up. Just look at Shell. They virtually run the economy of Nigeria and Nigeria could use sea water and the sun (with the help of Shell) to produce hydrogen too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanski Posted November 19, 2020 Share Posted November 19, 2020 42 minutes ago, ATTAK Z said: I thought I'd look at it from the point of view of the OPEC countries, Saudi Arabia for instance. They rely on oil sales, so they'll have to think of something else to bolster their economy. Could that be hydrogen by electrolysis of sea water powered by solar ? I'm pretty sure some of these countries will be thinking along these lines and the west will be looking to sign them up. Just look at Shell. They virtually run the economy of Nigeria and Nigeria could use sea water and the sun (with the help of Shell) to produce hydrogen too. A lot of the middle East oil rich countries have been diversifying into the hotel/shopping holiday destinations for some time, Dubai for example. They know the oil will run out eventually but remember we need oil for plastic and a million and one other things so they don't need to worry just yet? I am just thinking will the emergency services still run petrol after the cut off in 2030. You don't want to be in a situation where an ambulance couldn't get to you because it ran out of battery power, in the Scottish Highlands for example? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 It’s just the sale of new vehicles that use petrol/diesel engines that is being banned from 2030, not the sale (or use) of petrol/diesel itself. So yes, emergency services (and everyone else) will still run petrol for years after the cut off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanski Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 6 minutes ago, ilogikal1 said: It’s just the sale of new vehicles that use petrol/diesel engines that is being banned from 2030, not the sale (or use) of petrol/diesel itself. So yes, emergency services (and everyone else) will still run petrol for years after the cut off. Yes but eventually parts will run out and the skills to fix combustion engines. Then again we still have Green Goddess fire engines from the 60/70s and pretty sure Russia still has those old steam engines stored away in case of a pulse weapon strike! Actually if they do use a pulse weapon that's all the leccie cars fried isn't it? Just as well I have my VW Beetle still. Removes environmentally sourced tin hat..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 I think you'll be looking at decades before that becomes an issue, to be honest though. It may become more of a specialist area but if there's demand, there's money to be made after all. Parts will probably take even longer still as there will be countries still manufacturing and selling ICE for a while after the UK bans the sale of new ICE vehicles. Even in the unlikely event that, that does happen in 2030. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanski Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, ilogikal1 said: I think you'll be looking at decades before that becomes an issue, to be honest though. It may become more of a specialist area but if there's demand, there's money to be made after all. Parts will probably take even longer still as there will be countries still manufacturing and selling ICE for a while after the UK bans the sale of new ICE vehicles. Even in the unlikely event that, that does happen in 2030. I think Japan will carry on with petrol cars as long as they feel like it (not sure if they signed up to the same agreement we did ?) They were slow to take up diesel and probably slower to ditch petrol. I may have to emigrate over there. Agree parts will be available for a while yet. I can get most stuff for the 65 Rover but the issue is quality of parts which these days is getting worse. But anyway glad we can still to keep these bangers going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 It is absolutely vital the bangers keep going, so many in society use a car for their livelihood and charging your car a mile from your home unless there is some huge infrastructure plan in place (which so far sweet FA is) this whole thing is just a showpiece for Boris to say 'hey look at us we are doing something' - government is good for two things, making stuff up without any plan behind it and secondly, changing its mind once that plays itself out. Im all for green, its not free fuel thats a daft notion. Nor are EVs purely green. But its better than a diesel sitting in traffic pumping crap out. But it needs a proper plan with a viable timeframe, the right investment and the right people in charge of executing it. Lets not do HS2 again. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marzman Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 Electric vehicles can fly! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanski Posted November 20, 2020 Share Posted November 20, 2020 1 minute ago, marzman said: Electric vehicles can fly! Haha I just saw that too. Going to take people a while to get used to them? Maybe they should have someone walk in front with a red flag like they used to. Job creation if nothing else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GranTurismoEra Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) Probably needs an update. Check out the below "news" article https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8971487/One-three-motorists-afford-cheapest-electric-car-warn-experts.html Edited November 21, 2020 by GranTurismoEra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 Well that’s just bloody obvious. Maybe those people can pick up a used car instead, like the vast majority of people do? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanski Posted November 21, 2020 Share Posted November 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Ekona said: Well that’s just bloody obvious. Maybe those people can pick up a used car instead, like the vast majority of people do?i It's lazy journalism. It's like those vast university research projects usually in California that discover, water is actually wet and yes we can breath air? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted November 21, 2020 Author Share Posted November 21, 2020 (edited) VW winding it up a bit here Edited November 21, 2020 by ATTAK Z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATTAK Z Posted November 27, 2020 Author Share Posted November 27, 2020 If I have to have an electric car, put me down for one of these please 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevezzz Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 that's the one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 Agreed. And then I can rip the electric crap out and fit a nice Busso V6 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevezzz Posted November 27, 2020 Share Posted November 27, 2020 had one of those, lovely engine how about this 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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