decrobinson1999 Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) Tbh I would prefer to stick with the z, that's just a car that came to mind, I have no doubt the z could hold more power but most people seem to say dont do it The main thing I want is my Z to feel similar to how the 86 did, it just seemed a lot more smooth and fluid, especially with burnouts/drifts as the Z seems to shudder and want to wheel hop and also seems to pull to the left in hard braking (still trying to see what this is) Edited September 23, 2019 by decrobinson1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lmc Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, decrobinson1999 said: Tbh I would prefer to stick with the z, that's just a car that came to mind, I have no doubt the z could hold more power but most people seem to say dont do it The main thing I want is my Z to feel similar to how the 86 did, it just seemed a lot more smooth and fluid, especially with burnouts/drifts as the Z seems to shudder and want to wheel hop and also seems to pull to the left in hard braking (still trying to see what this is) Just a thought but why didn’t you just turbo the gt86? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilscorp Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) If you have the right mindset and don't mind throwing money down the drain then its a good platform. For me vortech S/C power is probably the cheapest way to make reasonable power but it wont give you much torque or the shove of a turbo so the standard car chassis can handle it IMO. An Audi S3 or BMW 135 will be faster in a straight line or on a roll race (and cost the same as your z +mods). Edited September 23, 2019 by evilscorp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decrobinson1999 Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 5 minutes ago, lmc said: Just a thought but why didn’t you just turbo the gt86? Because mainly I paid 15k for the car, and then in the year I'd owned it i decided to purchase a house and made the sacrifice of the z, since then I have had multiple upgrades at work and have managed to save while still owning the z (as it was 10k cheaper to buy), so basically at the time the gt86 was an expensive car and expensive to mod to get probably around the same hp the z starts at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decrobinson1999 Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 9 minutes ago, evilscorp said: If you have the right mindset and don't mind throwing money down the drain then its a good platform. For me vortech S/C power is probably the cheapest way to make reasonable power but it wont give you much torque or the shove of a turbo so the standard car chassis can handle it IMO. An Audi S3 or BMW 135 will be faster in a straight line or on a roll race (and cost the same as your z +mods). I'm not much into audis due to the 60 40 front bias they have, I like the option to drift, and am I correct in thinking the 135i is 3l turbo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMANALEX Posted September 23, 2019 Share Posted September 23, 2019 As stated previously you will have to decide on what power you want and how much you want to spend. You said for starters, you would like 400-425 whp, so I take it by that you mean that eventually, you would want to increase that. This is why you have to decide from the get-go what your goals are because supporting mods can be very expensive and these mods would require upgrading when you jump from 400 hp to say 600hp. If you want 500 hp with similar torque then you will also have to go fully forged. I do not think that you have a solid understanding of what is involved here. For your budget mentioned of 4k, the supercharge is your only option, but again that will be a struggle unless you find a good preowned kit and you can fit it yourself, but it will still require tuning and mapping so budget in a grand for that alone. Upgrades to chassis, suspension, brakes, fueling, tyres, etc. etc.etc will be another five grand. Add in another grand for coincidentals and 3 grand for your insurance and you are at 14k at the blink of an eye. For a safe 500+ whp, budget for spending 25K+ for the TT kit and proper supporting mods. My DE 350Z is putting down 720bhp at the wheels and circa 680 lbs ft which I have loved modding over the past 14 years but no matter how fast it is you are always looking for more, the car is very quick and is so well planted for circuit fun, however, there is a huge ongoing maintenance responsibility as stuff breaks all the time and unless you are hands-on it is not cost-effective. Perhaps in the cold light of day, it might be a plan to stay n.a. for the next couple of years and get your brakes, suspension, chassis and tyres sorted and build up your pot of cash and your insurance NCD and then revisit the idea in a few years time. Here is the link to the f.i register: https://www.350z-uk.com/topic/66265-official-list-of-uk-fi-zeds/?tab=comments#comment-983531 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decrobinson1999 Posted September 23, 2019 Author Share Posted September 23, 2019 (edited) So just build more of a lower hp 'grassroots' drift car and just revisit it when the time seems more right. Also on a completely unrelated note, has anyone here every tried 'AWD drifting', just intrigued as I've seen the odd video but never really heard of anyone doing it Edited September 23, 2019 by decrobinson1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DAN@ADRIAN FLUX Posted September 24, 2019 Share Posted September 24, 2019 On 23/09/2019 at 12:28, decrobinson1999 said: insurance is a different thing i'm keeping aside, i currently pay 1100 for it, i have been quoted 2550 with turbo which isnt too bad considering thats what it cost to insure my GT86 a few months back. Or would you suggest to just leave the extra power goals for a few years and just do other things to the car Hi. If you do ever need any help with insurance at all then please feel free to drop me a line. Regards, Dan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Payco Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 On 23/09/2019 at 14:32, Ekona said: First make it stop, then make it handle, then make it go. Old, but true. Go and sort your brakes and tyres first, then change the suspension and ARBs, then worry about power. A well driven NA Zed with the first two parts done will be quicker and more fun than one with just a blower strapped to it. Follow this advice, do some breathing mods and exhaust and get H Dev to remap it. Will be more than enough for you at this stage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decrobinson1999 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, Payco said: Follow this advice, do some breathing mods and exhaust and get H Dev to remap it. Will be more than enough for you at this stage. Any suggestions on the best way to make it handle better? because coming from a gt86 this seems to be the biggest letdown for me, as well as throttle response. and for some reason under hardish breaking the car drastically leans to the left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted September 25, 2019 Share Posted September 25, 2019 Coilovers and wheel alignment *if you have decent tyres fitted already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decrobinson1999 Posted September 25, 2019 Author Share Posted September 25, 2019 i have fairly new falken tires on which should be fine for now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 *tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decrobinson1999 Posted September 26, 2019 Author Share Posted September 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Ekona said: *tyres Hahahaha my bad, I was tired typing tyres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 (edited) Just bear in mind you have bought a GT car, not a sports car. Handling improvements will only go so far, you are still driving a fairly weighty cruiser rather than a nimble sporty number. So in terms of being a let down? Its pretty decent handling for a GT car, but of course you are not comparing apples with apples when saying the handling is a let down stepping from your 86. Edited September 26, 2019 by coldel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted September 26, 2019 Share Posted September 26, 2019 As Coldel says ^^^, but from what you have said I would suggest you get a specialist to sort out the handling/brakes first as without any power increase you are concerned with those and that should not be the case from a properly set-up Zed, albeit I would not expect it to be as 'nimble' as the GT86 due to the weight difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decrobinson1999 Posted September 27, 2019 Author Share Posted September 27, 2019 (edited) I have been looking over the advice everyone's been giving me over the past few days, I did take my z out in the awful British weather we have had and I have to say that it has given me more of a reason to persevere with the car. I do however have a few more questions. What coilovers would everyone recommend? What other breathing mods, as I only have a JWT popcharger filter, no pipework? What is the best thing to do regarding the intake plenum? And a good exhaust of choice? What cooling mods can I do as the intake seems to get really hot? And or is it even worth doing any of this on a revup car, is there no way i could solve the oil consumption problem such as a catch can (although I havent experienced these oil problems yet and do plan to get forged pistons) As well as this I cant also think of any better looking of a car once I clean it up a bit and add some style Edited September 27, 2019 by decrobinson1999 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMANALEX Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 Why are you planning on forged pistons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
decrobinson1999 Posted September 28, 2019 Author Share Posted September 28, 2019 56 minutes ago, ZMANALEX said: Why are you planning on forged pistons? Because inevitably if I go FI i will probably also get lower compression internals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZMANALEX Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 6 hours ago, decrobinson1999 said: Because inevitably if I go FI i will probably also get lower compression internals I don't think that will ever happen so, Concentrate on handling and brakes: KW V3s and Eibach sway bars would be a good shout. If you require correction arms then SPL is the way to go. Power grid adjustable drop links. Bin the pop charger and reinstate the OEM air box with a suitable filter and maf sensor. Some DBA T3 rotors and Carbotech pads with a suitable compound for your needs and some high temperature fluid and braided lines. Scorpion exhaust or similar with suitable sport cats or decats. Finish off with an Uprev tune after you have completed your mods. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted September 28, 2019 Share Posted September 28, 2019 ^^^ Basically all of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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