Andy_Muxlow Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Whats the point in worrying people it's not like we are getting out of here alive anyway... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Fact is physicist will say the universe appears to be made by design. It all looks purposeful and not come about by accident or by random occurance so there's that. Look it up, evolution is said to be nature left to do its own thing, or is it?......... https://cosmosmagazine.com/physics/a-universe-made-for-me-physics-fine-tuning-and-life For more than 400 years, physicists treated the universe like a machine, taking it apart to see how it ticks. The surprise is it turns out to have remarkably few parts: just leptons and quarks and four fundamental forces to glue them together. But those few parts are exquisitely machined. If we tinker with their settings, even slightly, the universe as we know it would cease to exist. Science now faces the question of why the universe appears to have been “fine-tuned” to allow the appearance of complex life, a question that has some potentially uncomfortable answers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 The idea that there are “uncomfortable answers” doesn’t apply to scientific disciplines. Only a follower of proscribed dogma, by its very nature of being devoid of evidence based decision making, can find answers uncomfortable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I could compose a response that would address that “fine tuning” nonsense (for those capable, if the margins are so fine we simply wouldn’t exist to know it any other way; design or merely “coincidence” by necessity!?!). Instead I’ll just retort with; Fake facts. Fake physicists. Fake link. Fake. Fake. Fake. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 I guess it then comes back to the question asked a number of pages back, what if it was shown many religions were fake and one someone did not follow was shown to be real, would followers of a religion swap to the one proven to be correct. Or continue following a religion shown to be fake. I suspect the answer is yes they would still follow it the fake one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Or still choose to not follow one at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 That's it, we'll believe in exactly what we want to believe regardless. Science shows evidence for evolution and the big bang but then will also show evidence for the universe appearing to be by design and controlled by an unknown force outside of the laws of gravity. So individuals pick and choose what we want to subscribe too via our own wishes. Luckily I've given my answer for swapping religious beliefs and the short I'd stay put due to logic provided in the lengthy answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 But there’s no evidence for religion. At all. Absolutely nothing provable in the slightest. As @StevoD put it, it’s no more provable than Pokemon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 19 minutes ago, Ekona said: But there’s no evidence for religion. At all. Absolutely nothing provable in the slightest. As @StevoD put it, it’s no more provable than Pokemon. I’ve seen a pokemon 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted April 11, 2018 Author Share Posted April 11, 2018 (edited) Mean whiles..... Space X managed their 7th successful launch this year, with two more planned before the end of the month. https://www.theverge.com/2018/4/2/17187972/spacex-falcon-9-nasa-crs-14-launch-watch-live More importantly it appears Space X is now actually starting to work on a project that many people think will be impossible, get humans onto Mars!! Why go there am not sure, but for the same reason people climb Everest, row across the Pacific. Would make a damn good reality viewing that's for sure https://www.space.com/40243-spacex-mars-spaceship-elon-musk-photo.html Edited April 11, 2018 by gangzoom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Actually to put it another way... New discovery proves existing science wrong: ”Oh wow, congrats guys, that’s a brilliant breakthrough! We can all learn from this and move on!” New discovery proves religion wrong: ”Oh erm, well we didn’t actually mean that originally, what we actually meant was...” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Why would you NOT want to go to Mars?! Interesting fact: Mars is the only planet we know of completely inhabited by robots. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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davey_83 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Ekona said: But there’s no evidence for religion. At all. Absolutely nothing provable in the slightest. As @StevoD put it, it’s no more provable than Pokemon. Again evidence is subjective and I have shown real world demonstrations of this but for amusement: If not all guesswork and not from mans knowledge or understanding for the time, it warrants investigation. But again, we believe want we want to believe. http://www.eternal-productions.org/101science.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Again, you’re proving science, not sky fairy magic. There’s science behind why washing with clean water is good, or why blood is kinda important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 The concept of this knowledge being stated hundreds of years prior to science/man catching up is the fairy magic. Various detailed account of xyz prior to our understanding is the divine. The writer would not have even known what exactly they were noting down. I know its hard to get ones head around, I really do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 Now I know you’re trolling! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted April 11, 2018 Share Posted April 11, 2018 18 minutes ago, Ekona said: Now I know you’re trolling! That’s fake science that is! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rock_Steady Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 On 4/10/2018 at 16:47, davey_83 said: I do believe we are alone, this is what puzzles scientist as surely there must be life out there. Hello............ FFS Davey, really? You think we're alone? This is where i bow out. Flat earth, misinformation with evolution and now that we're alone. Davey, i think you were born at the wrong time. Possibly a few centuries too late. Come on mate, wake up for the last corner before you crash. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock_Steady Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 (edited) None of us have any evidence. Stop asking for evidence that you know no one really has a hard copy of that's stamped by a credible body, that you'll just sh*t on anyway. We're on a car forum not a council of congress of highly decorated military or congressmen that are gagging to give disclosure to the short sighted. It's an utter waste of time. It's obvious that you've made up your mind about what you believe and that's o.k. but don't ask stupid questions like "What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise?" what are you expecting given that you can't get your head around the law of possibility of life somewhere else? A response like "Oh hold on, i just remembered, i've had this UAP or UFO collecting dust in my garage next to my Pulsar, i knew it would come in handy one-day, now i can prove davey_83 wrong once and for all." It's the same as me asking you " Prove god exists, i want hard evidence, show me." You can't. No one can and you know that, just as much as you know that no one -that we know of- can prove the existence of life somewhere else........yet. Stop playing silly buggers and grow up a bit. Edited April 12, 2018 by Rock_Steady Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 Ok a genuine question of why 'you' believe we're not alone? I've answered any and all questions honestly, so I would expect the same back in return. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 But isn't there big man floating in space so, course we aren't alone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted April 12, 2018 Share Posted April 12, 2018 1 hour ago, davey_83 said: What evidence do you have to suggest otherwise? All evidence is fake anyway. Unless you agree with it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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