coldel Posted February 9, 2018 Author Share Posted February 9, 2018 Its one of those things isn't it. Tesla realise that fossil fuels will run out/atmosphere is dying, governments know it, car firms were making little progress in moving to EVs, US government keeps Tesla from going belly up for years with billions of dollars to develop the tech regular car firms were not willing to move to. Ultimately tech can be replicated, I can only see the big firms copy/purchase Tesla once they have it nailed down and everyones happy. Its quite common for governments to spend billions of taxpayers money on cleaner energy, the UK government gives plenty of money to companies to develop better energy solutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 1 hour ago, Jay84 said: GZ, I admire your passion for EV's, and although they don't excite me like a noisey fossil burner, I can see a place for them, and as a commuter I'd have one. If you don't mind me asking how long ago did you own a Zed? It's not a dig so please don't think it, just curiosity, after all your not the only one that came for the car and stayed for the awesome people. Z was about 4 years, than the 335i for about 4 years as well, Leaf was temp 2 year savings move to enable the Tesla purchase. Plan is to keep the X till the need for baby seats go....so that depends on when/if a second sprog arrives. SUVs didnt make much sense to me before but these days when my daughter is the car half the time I am I can see why people love them. Just as it happens the bumper to bumper warranty on the Tesla is 4 years, so by 2022 I might be ready to go back to a non monster truck, but we'll see as the X is owned outright and has tiny running costs so we might just end up treating it like a family hack till it dies. Either way am pretty sure by than the choice of EVs will be huge, Infinti has something in the works and it'll be good to go back to a Nissan ). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 If I had to buy my own car to commute in, i'd get a leaf or something myself. I quite like the Lexus CT hybrid too though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Even Clarkson seems to like the X, given our car is less than half the price of the one he drove but looks the same and with the exception of 0-60 time peform the same, our car almost seem like a bargain:) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8ojCe71T-A&sns=em Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ilogikal1 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Well it must be awesome if even Clarkson loves it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Didn't Clarkson slate the 350z? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 And called 911's jumped up beetles........ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted February 9, 2018 Share Posted February 9, 2018 Incidentally I had on 06 911 in for mot today, less miles and more corrosion than my zed of the same year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Same for Mercedes, the amount of C Class Coupes with fully rotten rear aches is shocking for 04-06 reg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 11 hours ago, davey_83 said: And called 911's jumped up beetles........ You mean they are not!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 Not sure I would take any notice of Clarkson in terms of properly reviewing a car! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 9 minutes ago, coldel said: Not sure I would take any notice of Clarkson in terms of properly reviewing a car! I agree, he is no longer an Automotive Journalist, but a TV entertainer on a car show. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 His written stuff is excellent, it's the TV persona I find grating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 I used to really like his column is the Sun on Saturday when work provided it, and his books are perfect sat on the throne reading material with their short chapters. My SO hates Hammond the most on TV. I think May the best TV personality, similar to Edd China with his hands on approach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted February 10, 2018 Author Share Posted February 10, 2018 I tried reading a Clarkson book some time back and gave up it was dreadful. They tried to write it like he speaks on TV and it just doesn't work it was really tiresome. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted February 10, 2018 Share Posted February 10, 2018 Never read any of his books, guess it makes sense they tried to do TV Clarkson in there to maximise sales. Shame though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) I think the i-Pace wins hands down in the styling battle and if I was ever lucky enough to even consider one, that's where my hard earned would be going. Edited March 10, 2018 by davey_83 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 iPace looks very good, but still Tesla pricing, so £75k+ after the £4K EV grant if you want half decent spec. Not cheap enough to be considered as a second car to complement our X sadly, and been only a 5 seater cannot really replace the X. Actually just had our X detailed/paint protected, for a people movers it scrubs up pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 Yeah for those that don't need 7 seats, the new Jag certainly looks the part and no doubt will have tough to beat cabin materials and feel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted March 10, 2018 Share Posted March 10, 2018 (edited) ^ I belive Jag has already sold 12 months production. I believe if you havent got a deposit in your looking at 2019 as earliest delivery. It may be expensive but compared to a Macan Turbo/RR Sport its the same price ball park, and Porsche/Land Rover have no problems shifting those. Edited March 10, 2018 by gangzoom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 21 hours ago, davey_83 said: I think the i-Pace wins hands down in the styling battle and if I was ever lucky enough to even consider one, that's where my hard earned would be going. Plus it will be infinitely better quality in comparison to the notoriously shoddy Teslas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 From what I gather the Tesla interior build isn't shoddy, but its nowhere near what one would topically expect from the list price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/9085/why-is-teslas-quality-control-still-so-poor http://uk.businessinsider.com/tesla-model-3-build-quality-explained-2018-2 https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1115659_tesla-model-3-quality-is-terrible-but-does-it-matter-to-buyers http://bgr.com/2017/11/09/tesla-model-s-problems-build-quality-fit-finish-video/ https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-tesla-quality-insight/build-fast-fix-later-speed-hurts-quality-at-tesla-some-workers-say-idUKKBN1DT0N3 https://jalopnik.com/this-guy-documents-nearly-a-year-of-quality-problems-wi-1819955046 Take your pick 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davey_83 Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 eek, I was trying to be nice to Tesla. I guess moving on from pick-up trucks, a Tesla is a slight step up in quality for the yanks lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted March 11, 2018 Share Posted March 11, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, davey_83 said: From what I gather the Tesla interior build isn't shoddy, but its nowhere near what one would topically expect from the list price. Tesla interiors are fine for £70K+ bracket, main issues is people who paid £140K+ for a P100D X have a car that looks/feels exactly the same as our base spec £66K before options 60D X - the only difference is the crazy 0-60 time which most of the time you cannot use. Jaguar reliability is also not the greatest, apparently one of the pre-production cars broke down near a Supercharger site this weekend, an AA van apparently turned up shortly and the car was stuffed full of monitoring gear. It does worry me a bit Jaguar has announced the iPace is 'production' ready but the test mules are breaking down and still gathering data. Still the iPace will sell fine, however Jag is wasting their time targeting Tesla owners (lots of people on the Tesla Facebook group have had emails from Jag), but I've not seen/heard of a single Tesla owner switching to Jag because of the iPace. What they should focus on is the people who can afford a £70K 5 seater SUV and currently buying things like the SQ5/Macan Turbo/X5M. The iPace has the performance, brand image to go head to head with those cars with no issues. Edited March 11, 2018 by gangzoom 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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