Jetpilot Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 So i am sure we have all heard of the recent problems with non emergency operations and maybe i am a naive, but how is any extra funding going to help, we havent got the staff, beds, operating theatres or time, we cant make the days longer, so how does the extra funding called for help? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I’d use it to recruit more staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 10, 2018 Author Share Posted January 10, 2018 Again please excuse any ignorance, but if the theatres are at capacity which is my understanding, what good would more staff do? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 I’d use it to close the NHS down and start again from scratch. No one will ever be able to fix what is so fundamentally broken, regardless of money thrown at it. We’re way past fixing now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andybp Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 My wife is a senior accountant within the nhs and I have to listen to her angry rants every evening when she gets home as she is extremely passionate about the nhs so from what little I take in, I know that sounds bad but I have had to listen to this for the last 20 years any way I digress from what I take in it's a case of bottlenecks caused by a lack of money for instance in a lot of cases the wards are there the beds are there but if you don't have the funding for the staff you can't put people in them ,if you don't have funding for the drugs to treat people then you can't treat them at the end of the day it's all about a lack of money Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Jetpilot said: Again please excuse any ignorance, but if the theatres are at capacity which is my understanding, what good would more staff do? They can go in the new theatres. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted January 10, 2018 Share Posted January 10, 2018 The money could be spent on upgrading to Windows 7... 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted January 11, 2018 Author Share Posted January 11, 2018 (edited) Ok, so money is the issue (i stand corrected), although perhaps like Ekona, its going to need a lot more than just money i think. Personally i think this goes above party politics, lets face it, non of them have got it right during their time in government, they all need to sit down and agree on a plan imho. Edited January 11, 2018 by Jetpilot Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 There is a good article on the BBC at the moment, the basic summary is: Demand for A&E rising each year and has been for a long time Ageing population Costs more to care for older people than younger people Social Care spending reduced by Tories for older people UK spends less on health vs EU average as a % of GDP In terms of killer charts, appreciate the economy health does dictate how much increase is applied to health spend but there seems to be an all too familiar trend here from a political perspective! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 So basically euthanasia solves the problems? Excellent! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullet Posted January 11, 2018 Share Posted January 11, 2018 22 hours ago, Ekona said: I’d use it to close the NHS down and start again from scratch. No one will ever be able to fix what is so fundamentally broken, regardless of money thrown at it. We’re way past fixing now. You really don't see it ??? This is being done on purpose so they can do exactly that...and then privatise it so that they can bring in an american style healthcare system where you have to pay for everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted January 12, 2018 Share Posted January 12, 2018 No, I don't see that at all. Then again, I don't necessarily see privatisation as a bad thing. I've said it before, but we should be charging people for missed GP appointments, and we definitely shouldn't be providing things like paracetemol, ibuprofen, cosmetic surgery, gender reassignment and PReP on the NHS. Now I don't disagree that perhaps in the long term it may well be cheaper to do some of those latter things, nor do I disagree that in a perfect world with unlimited money they should all be provided. But right now, it's not workable. And yeah, I appreciate it's a drop in the ocean, but it's about changing perception that the NHS should cover everything for everyone all the time. Means test it if you want, I'm okay with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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