Impressed Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 After my catastrophic clutch failure I am wondering when owning my Z becomes none cost effective. At 116K MY08 HR it seems the 370Z is more of a facelift that a new model. Any ideas where Nissan is going next? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jake.Lowther Posted October 24, 2017 Share Posted October 24, 2017 The 350z is iconic don't let a few bumps in the road knock you off course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 It becomes non-cost effective when the car is worth more in parts than it is when it's running, or it'll cost you more to fix it than to buy an equivalent car. I reckon you're a long way from that if it's just a new clutch & fly you need. And no, no-one has any idea where Nissan are going after the 370. Current guesses are to a sporty SUV (random media reports), dropping a 400bhp+ V6TT into the car (wishful thinking), or letting it die completely and not replacing it (my own best guess). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMT Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 I've a feeling...IF...they are gonna do anything they'll use the TTV6 out the Q60. I wouldn't let it put you down though, the things 'can' cost a fortune to run as such anyway (depending on your miles). I'm less than 300 miles away from 100K, its just passed an MOT with no advisories (after replacing some bits lol) and I wanna keep it for another couple of year. Clutch is solid, touch wood... and I'm just praying the gaskets hold up until I want rid of it It'll def have around 150K before I get rid of my HR. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 25, 2017 Share Posted October 25, 2017 Tokyo motor show is on this week too btw, not a Z in sight Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargara Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I don't think Renault will allow Nissan to produce another Z car that will potentially compete with their revised Alpine brand. Nissan wont do coupes anymore while the current SUV trend continues, only Infiniti will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoogyRev Posted October 29, 2017 Share Posted October 29, 2017 I will just leave this here . . . . http://www.carscoops.com/2017/10/nissan-doesnt-seem-too-keen-on-new-z.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 http://www.carbuzz.com/news/2017/10/29/Looks-Like-The-Iconic-Nissan-Z-Car-Might-Be-Dead-7741748/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Totally called it. It might come back in a few years as a sporty hybrid thing, but it's not a popular segment right now. The Toyobaru had the costs split between two manufacturers, but can Renault afford to make a new Z all by itself when the sell through numbers are likely to be low? I doubt it. The GT-R is the Nissan sports car future as they can get away with six figure sums for them now. Besides, if a new Zed meant it would have to come with an inline boosted four then I think we're better off as we are. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Ekona said: Besides, if a new Zed meant it would have to come with an inline boosted four then I think we're better off as we are. The purist isle in which you reside (maunal, na, rwd) is about as popular as big capacity na engines these days, (check the ref you gave of gt86/brz sales), most mainstream manufacturers are moving to smaller capacity boosted engines, so why not a new Zed, keeps the model alive and will appeal to the mainstream/sales. I ask out of interest, not argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 The Toyobaru is selling pretty well, certainly Toyota are more than happy with sales, hence why I referred to it specifically. I'd say things are starting to turn back towards the purist tbh when it comes to fun cars: Porsche u-turn quicker than a Tory prime minister when it came to the manual on the GT3, Renault selling nowhere near as many Clio RS because the dual-clutcher is dreadful, Ford forging the way with a manual V8 Mustang in the UK and selling bags of them, Mazda showing some real innovation with their SkyActiv engines in the MX5... I know it's a drop in the ocean, but then all specialist fun cars are these days. I genuinely think we're coming to a crossroads soon where the option will be hybrid or electric only generic SUV/saloon with an autobox, and the real interesting stuff will be coming with proper engines and a stick. That's always made sense to me, especially as most households these days have at least two cars. Don't they? I've never really seen the point of flogging a dead horse for the sake of keeping a brand name alive, and certainly I've no issue with the Z brand dying off. If Nissan want to make a 2 seater coupe with an I4T lump, then they can go ahead but please drop the Z and create something new so people don't need to make the connection. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Maybe a brief hiatus will happen where they will focus on econoboxes. This is what Toyota did early 2000s with the Prius and Auris hybrid. They dropped the entire sporty range until the BR-86. I agree with the popular opinion though about not wanting to see a 4 cylinder turbo in a zed chassis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Roughly 1500 sales in the whole of the eu in 15 & 1500 in 16, sorry dude, thats pathetic numbers for a car that was released in 2012. I dont really think its any different in the BMW chat thread, what are "people" buying cars based upon, cost, mpg, looks, drive, warranty etc etc I am afraid i bet the overall drive is towards the bottom of the list, dare i say looks would be higher up. I agree though, absolutely zero point in realising a Z for the sake of having a Z car in its line up, but i dont see a 4pot turbo being a poor car just because of that, price point and looks will come into it heavily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 True, but again I don’t care what joe bloggs is buying, I care about what I want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sargara Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 2 hours ago, Jetpilot said: Roughly 1500 sales in the whole of the eu in 15 & 1500 in 16, sorry dude, thats pathetic numbers for a car that was released in 2012. I dont know about the rest of the EU but they'd sell more if they bothered to offer decent finance packages to encourage sales here, last time i checked they were not competitive with what else is out there from the german offerings. Considering PCP/HP makes up such a large portion of new car sales they are shooting themselves in the foot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 On 30/10/2017 at 20:49, Ekona said: True, but again I don’t care what joe bloggs is buying, I care about what I want. Totally get that and its great we all like different things, but what you want is going to sell in the numbers required to justify a new model, well certainly not in this price sector as you say and whilst i definitely dont want to live in Gangzoms utopian dream of the future of motoring i would much prefer a 4pot turbo with flappy paddles to stem the tide in the meantime, i dont see it ever moving back to sticks and proper engines as you say. I think its mentioned elsewhere, the Toyota Supra will be a good yardstick of what we may expect from the other Japanese manufacturers in this sector, but if they literally have nothing on the designers board now with regards to a new Z car, what are we realistically looking at for production in line with the op's question, 5 years, you have a while to decide op Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 See, I genuinely think we've started to see the shift back to either manual or automatic. The day of the dual clutch in anything other than supercars is numbered now the likes of the auto in the current gen M Lites is so good (indeed BMW are ditching DCT going forward on the M cars), and the demand for manuals is increasing among the enthusiasts. Even the 370ZN was only offered in manual over here... I'd also have an I4T with paddles over an electric car, but then I'd take a 1L diesel over an electric car too so maybe that point is moot for me. I don't hate paddle-shifters btw, I just think there's a time and a place for them: Great in a 911 or a 488, not so great in a hot hatch or small coupe. The Supra is irrelevant as it's a BMW co-venture, it'll be the same auto 'box and I6T as in the new Z4. Look towards the Gazoo Yaris to see where Toyota are pinning their money to, supercharged AND manual Silly money though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Ah so WRC is on the rise again, apparently the wales rally had the highest spectator numbers by far for years and maybe this is the first manufacturer to jump on releasing the new breed of "rally reps" and i hope so, they do look so much better than recent years (mini clubman etc) I see no significance with rally reps and jdm sports cars though, joint venture or not, the new Supra is where a Z car (if there is one) will be pitched at more so, imho, not a rally rep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted November 2, 2017 Share Posted November 2, 2017 I meant more in terms of engineering design than faux-motorsport crossover. RX is a very fast growing and exciting sport though, I can see it being bigger than ‘proper’ rallying very soon, if it isn’t already. The Z4 is pitched at a price level above the Zed, always has been. The rise of PCP has made the TT/Cayman/Z4 much more achievable, which I’m sure is partly the reason why the 370 never really stood a chance at selling as well. Why have a budget Jap car when you can have the premium German model? The Supra will have the same issue I think so hopefully Toyota will pull their finger out re finance offers, unless they’re intending to only sell a handful a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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