Irn Bru Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 What would be nice is for the LibDems to see a resurgence in popularity so they actually become a viable prospect ....... but I doubt thats going to happen either, we are either stuck with the nasty ones or the ineffective ones. Not being argumentative mate, but do you really rate Tim Fallon as PM material ?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 In terms of taxation of a total population, so scale decisions, you are looking at NI, Income Tax, VAT and Corporation Tax. Its difficult to make scale decisions on investment without getting monies from those sources, as far as I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 What would be nice is for the LibDems to see a resurgence in popularity so they actually become a viable prospect ....... but I doubt thats going to happen either, we are either stuck with the nasty ones or the ineffective ones. Not being argumentative mate, but do you really rate Tim Fallon as PM material ?. I like the Lib Dems but they seem to be losing sight of their now great position in the political landscape given the extremes of the Labour party and focusing on the European issue. Danger is they do not offer themselves as a viable alternative to Labour if they just keep banging on about Brexit, get their manifesto in order, and they could well be well on the heels of Labour. Tim Fallon is a decent guy as far as I can see, TV debates will give a glimpse of what sort of leader he might be! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think with organisations like the NHS though they do need to get someone in who knows what they're doing to sort it out / run it if things are going to get better. Someone ruthless and skilled enough to reorganise it into something that works properly, but willing to do it for the interests of the country rather than their own financial interests (I'm thinking a successful businessperson of some description). Absolutely agree 100%. This is why I think we should pay our MPs significantly more than we do, get the big business owners with a proven track record interested in helping run the country. Stop this faffing around, it's the most important job in the country so we should pay a proper wage. Trump for PM ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think with organisations like the NHS though they do need to get someone in who knows what they're doing to sort it out / run it if things are going to get better. Someone ruthless and skilled enough to reorganise it into something that works properly, but willing to do it for the interests of the country rather than their own financial interests (I'm thinking a successful businessperson of some description). Absolutely agree 100%. This is why I think we should pay our MPs significantly more than we do, get the big business owners with a proven track record interested in helping run the country. Stop this faffing around, it's the most important job in the country so we should pay a proper wage. Trump for PM ? The snooker player..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think with organisations like the NHS though they do need to get someone in who knows what they're doing to sort it out / run it if things are going to get better. Someone ruthless and skilled enough to reorganise it into something that works properly, but willing to do it for the interests of the country rather than their own financial interests (I'm thinking a successful businessperson of some description). Absolutely agree 100%. This is why I think we should pay our MPs significantly more than we do, get the big business owners with a proven track record interested in helping run the country. Stop this faffing around, it's the most important job in the country so we should pay a proper wage. Trump for PM ? The snooker player..? Who's he lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyZ Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I think with organisations like the NHS though they do need to get someone in who knows what they're doing to sort it out / run it if things are going to get better. Someone ruthless and skilled enough to reorganise it into something that works properly, but willing to do it for the interests of the country rather than their own financial interests (I'm thinking a successful businessperson of some description). Absolutely agree 100%. This is why I think we should pay our MPs significantly more than we do, get the big business owners with a proven track record interested in helping run the country. Stop this faffing around, it's the most important job in the country so we should pay a proper wage. Trump for PM ? I was thinking more along the lines of Michael Bloomberg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeezeebaba Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Regarding the NHS, way to many chiefs and not enough indians. The lack of ground level staff has led to a reliance on agency cover. There is also a dire lack of new staff coming through and the ones that do become disenchanted very quickly. The working hours can be dire and many qualified staff look towards posts abroad or agencies to maximise income and aleviate stress. It has led to the NHS also becoming a mainstay for the only people willing to work for them being from overseas. A vicious circle and there is no guarantee pumping more cash in is viable. More private companies are now in the mix from ambulance provision to specialist departments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The G Man Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Drug companies are pumping the NHS more than any group of employees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 But who lets them? The NHS has massive purchasing power, it just chooses to roll over and get raped in the wallet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Regarding the NHS, way to many chiefs and not enough indians. The lack of ground level staff has led to a reliance on agency cover. There is also a dire lack of new staff coming through and the ones that do become disenchanted very quickly. The working hours can be dire and many qualified staff look towards posts abroad or agencies to maximise income and aleviate stress. It has led to the NHS also becoming a mainstay for the only people willing to work for them being from overseas. A vicious circle and there is no guarantee pumping more cash in is viable. More private companies are now in the mix from ambulance provision to specialist departments. I sub contract to one of them, you wouldn't believe the money that is wasted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The G Man Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 But who lets them? The NHS has massive purchasing power, it just chooses to roll over and get raped in the wallet. The apathetic voter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 That makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I note with interest that Unite, one of the Labour Party's biggest finacial contributors voted Mcluskey as leader again. For me that isn't the issue, the turn out was 12%, 12 feckin %!! nearly as bad as the London underground staff voting to bring London to a standstill on a small turn out. Just makes me angry when so few can affect so many others. Why don't people vote when they can and should there be a minimim level turn out to make the vote "real"? Rant over. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) There is also a dire lack of new staff coming through and the ones that do become disenchanted very quickly. The working hours can be dire and many qualified staff look towards posts abroad or agencies to maximise income and aleviate stress. It has led to the NHS also becoming a mainstay for the only people willing to work for them being from overseas. Our department has constantly had 2-3 vacancies on a 8 person working rota. I cannot blame people for not wanting to work 24hr shifts, having to go from breaking the awful news of someone dying to relatives and than immediate get called away to do job X/Y/Z, work under the stress of knowing any mistake means someone might die, and than on top of all that spend half your working day not doing medicine but trying to find empty beds whilst getting hassle from managers who have very little clinical awareness. No wonder I have no time to even think about tax avoidance No politician will ever have the balls to make drastic reform the NHS, there is simply too much at stake. You also cannot run an acute hospital like a shop/business, the clinical work load is simply too unpredictable, I've had days when it has literally been non stop for 24hrs and the first time I get a chance to stop for a break is 5 am after starting work at 830am the day before. I've also had days when I'm sitting there at 2pm waiting for things to happen. You simply cannot predict a day will go and I've been doing this job for coming on 15 years. That kind of unpredictable work loads make resource planning an absolute nightmare. Anyone actually interested in seeing what kind of pressures the clinical staff are under in the NHS should take a look at the latest Channel 4 program on Junior doctor. I was in Northampton for 18months and can 100% agree the senior clinical staff about just how bad things are now. The system will collapse, its not if, simply when. People can talk about the NHS as much as they like but anyone who's actually been acutely unwell will realise just how scary things will be when hospitals shut their doors and tell you sorry but to go for help else where when you suddenly take unwell......This winter or next the **** will hit the fan and we'll see just which politicians has the balls to do something meaniful. http://www.channel4..../episode-guide/ Edited April 21, 2017 by gangzoom 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) @Graham: Tbh I don't believe for second that wasn't rigged to hell. Day before results his non-Corbyn supporting opponent just happens to get suspended? Yeah, okay. Honestly, the unions make Russia look democratic and honest. The PLP should be completely seperate from them. Edited April 21, 2017 by Ekona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyZ Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 No politician will ever have the balls to make drastic reform the NHS, there is simply too much at stake Well hopefully someone in power will see the light before it's too late. As Dan said though, it would probably be too much for voters to stomach, which would lead to... The system will collapse, its not if, simply when And then change would be forced. You also cannot run an acute hospital like a shop/business I don't think anyone suggested that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 @Graham: Tbh I don't believe for second that wasn't rigged to hell. Day before results his non-Corbyn supporting opponent just happens to get suspended? Yeah, okay. Honestly, the unions make Russia look democratic and honest. The PLP should be completely seperate from them. I hear you, they claim counting had already started but the result stands on 12% turnout, truly old Sovietesque. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The G Man Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) @Graham: Tbh I don't believe for second that wasn't rigged to hell. Day before results his non-Corbyn supporting opponent just happens to get suspended? Yeah, okay. Honestly, the unions make Russia look democratic and honest. The PLP should be completely seperate from them. I hear you, they claim counting had already started but the result stands on 12% turnout, truly old Sovietesque. British democracy According to this http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2015/results 36% gets you to run the government, that was only 36% of those who voted, apathetic voters Edited April 21, 2017 by The G Man Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 Gents, can we try and keep this civil please? It's been an excellent and well-mannered thread so far, despite many of us sharing different opinions. If you have a point to make then please make it, but make it in a calm and rational tone. Thank you. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Well said Dan ðŸ‘It doesn't take much effort to remain civil, if you feel you can't then don't post, it really is quite simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 22, 2017 Author Share Posted April 22, 2017 Phil Hammond making noises about being restrained because of the promise not to raise income tax, and then quick PR from Tory HQ saying that this doesn't mean that he will if they get in. Very poorly timed comments from him, and I'm not so convinced that he wouldn't like to push the standard level of income tax up by a percent just to make life easier. I don't think he will, not before Brexit. Little things like that can quickly become big things in the media these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Ooh a tidy It was that or lock it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted April 23, 2017 Share Posted April 23, 2017 And that's one of the biggest issues: the media muddy the water so much. Its not just the papers these days, Facebook and Twitter is full of the he said she said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted April 24, 2017 Share Posted April 24, 2017 Interesting events across the channel, a Liberal looks to be smashing the election in France kicking out the traditional left and right wingers. Wonder if we will see a similar move towards LDs here (clearly not into a election winning position but much stronger than we anticipated) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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