Jetpilot Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Interesting the £££ is up a little since the announcement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetSet Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I too believe it will be interesting in Scotland,will Queen Nicola lose a few seats? I think she might. Looking at the marginals in Scotland I think the Lib Dems will take 3 or 4 seats and the Cons possibly a couple. Labour I don't know, I haven't looked at their marginals but they may gain a couple in their previous strongholds. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paddy78 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 The whole thought of the next 7 weeks just drains the life from my soul... I voted Tory at the last election, something that I didn't particularly want to do as I find some of their policies absolutely abhorrent. However, there was no credible alternative and I can't honestly see that changing in the next few weeks. Maybe I should have just wasted my vote on the Green Party or someone else, but the thought of Labour (The only other realistic party) getting in and being in charge of the country's finances or defence was absolutely terrifying. I think most people wouldn't mind Corbyn as their local MP, but Prime Minister is a step too far. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 19, 2017 Author Share Posted April 19, 2017 I think most people wouldn't mind Corbyn as their local MP, but Prime Minister is a step too far. You know what, that's probably the best way of thinking of him I've ever heard. Absolutely spot-on, well said sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I think most people wouldn't mind Corbyn as their local MP, but Prime Minister is a step too far. You know what, that's probably the best way of thinking of him I've ever heard. Absolutely spot-on, well said sir. Seems harsh when our current PM claimed last week God told her he'd have voted Leave. When an adult says they're hearing voices, they usually get a break from work. Say you believe an invisible, all poweful being guides you and your thoughts and apparently voters on both sides of the pond consider it desireable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyZ Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I think most people wouldn't mind Corbyn as their local MP, but Prime Minister is a step too far. You know what, that's probably the best way of thinking of him I've ever heard. Absolutely spot-on, well said sir. Seems harsh when our current PM claimed last week God told her he'd have voted Leave. When an adult says they're hearing voices, they usually get a break from work. Say you believe an invisible, all poweful being guides you and your thoughts and apparently voters on both sides of the pond consider it desireable Have you got a source for that? I can find an article in which Alastair Campbell tries to suggest it, but can't actually find a quote of her saying it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I think most people wouldn't mind Corbyn as their local MP, but Prime Minister is a step too far. You know what, that's probably the best way of thinking of him I've ever heard. Absolutely spot-on, well said sir. Seems harsh when our current PM claimed last week God told her he'd have voted Leave. When an adult says they're hearing voices, they usually get a break from work. Say you believe an invisible, all poweful being guides you and your thoughts and apparently voters on both sides of the pond consider it desireable Have you got a source for that? I can find an article in which Alastair Campbell tries to suggest it, but can't actually find a quote of her saying it. Not at all, I was just being flippant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BobbyZ Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Ah I see... the Internet strikes again 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ That's the one that springs to mind. Run by volunteers, not associated with any party. Not been updated yet for this year, but I've no doubt it will be. I just tried this out of curiosity. ....came back with exactly the party I intend voting for as the highest %age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G1en Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 Who are Russia behind? or dont we warrant their tinder time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 https://voteforpolicies.org.uk/ That's the one that springs to mind. Run by volunteers, not associated with any party. Not been updated yet for this year, but I've no doubt it will be. I just tried this out of curiosity. ....came back with exactly the party I intend voting for as the highest %age I think that the political parties could never have been any more apart in what they stand for, clear boundaries between labour tories libs etc. where we might have seen blurring in the past. That website is unnecessarily long in the survey, I am sure if they did some factor analysis on the statements they would realise many have no importance on driving party choice tut tut 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeezeebaba Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 The one thing that is abundantly clear to me after all these years is the blatant lack of viable choices. Every time this system of ours throws up a GE we are corralled enmasse to vote for two choices. Yes there are those who buck that ethos but their votes are useless in the grand "scheme" of things. Generally people will vote for the two parties who have a chance of power and pick the one based on how they have perceived the propaganda and rhetoric that favours them the most. However that said there is a certain sense of security and keeping the status quo feels familiar. It's not the system that's at fault it's the equal representation of those who people vote for. Theresa May will win this one, after all Corbyn isn't quite Tory enough 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangzoom Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) Over 70% of the forum going for Tory!! Gosh this place must be full of well heeled people. I cannot think of a worse person to be in charge than a former accountant with a spouse who is a city banker.... Edited April 21, 2017 by gangzoom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Oh dear http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-39659304 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glrnet Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Over 70% of the forum going for Tory!! Gosh this place must be full of well heeled people. I cannot think of a worse person to be in charge than a former accountant with a spouse who is a city banker.... You seem to be doing ok though 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 Over 70% of the forum going for Tory!! Gosh this place must be full of well heeled people. I cannot think of a worse person to be in charge than a former accountant with a spouse who is a city banker.... Why? You'd think that someone who knows how to make money rather than spunk it up the wall would be ideal to be in charge of trillions of pounds. When you consider that Corbyn himself said the other day that he was aiming to help those earning £26K and under, that puts an awful lot of normal people in the category that he wants to hammer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay84 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 All i see on labour policies that my very red mate put on fb is how they're going to spend all ths money making all these improvements. I don't argue some of the systems are dated and useless, but where will that money come from? I never considered myself a Tory, but I can't see Labour being a viable option, and as has been mentioned its a 2 horse race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 That's the scary thing, Labour will borrow as much as they need to to be able to sort the problems they believe exist, with no real plan for dealing with that debt. All the austerity we've been through will be for nothing (and there's a sound argument that says it wasn't that successful, I acknowledge that), and then in times of uncertainty when we don't know what kind of Brexit deal we'll end up with I just can't see it being a good idea to start living well beyond our means again. Even more so than we already are. I don't disagree with all of the Labour policies tbh, and if we had a perfect world then they may even get my vote as they have done before. However, as a small business owner that is subject to the same tax rules as Starbucks, I cannot support a party that specifically wants to target me to take even more out of my pocket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 However, as a small business owner that is subject to the same tax rules as Starbucks, I cannot support a party that specifically wants to target me to take even more out of my pocket. Although you're normally on the wrong side of the centre ground for me Dan, you do regularly make salient points. But the idea that Labour is specifically after you (and me!) as small businesses, yet letting Starbucks / Facebook / Vodafone / Google / etc off the hook, is all back to front. The Tories have gone after small businesses, look at the recent changes to IR35, flat rate VAT, dividend tax and the aborted NI shambles, yet they allow HMRC to simply ask big companies, "how much do you feel like paying?". They have done not a jot to address it with legislation, during an austerity period when the country needed the revenues most. The cuts to Corporation tax just make it easier for big business to further erode what little, comparatively, they pay. The Tories used to be the friend of all Businesses, now they're the friend of Big Business. Look at the recent story on Cameron lobbying Boris on behalf of Uber, desperately trying to help his mate in Big Business have a competive edge over the smaller cab companies, by trying to block legislation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) The trouble is that no-one makes a distinction between small business and large business: What you apply to one, you apply to the other. I've no real grudge against the megacorps paying less tax as they contribute much more in other ways by giving people jobs to earn money and pay PAYE & all the stuff they then buy. All the other changes I'm relatively comfortable with tbh, some of it makes sense like the dividend stuff (even though that affects me directly) in terms of fairness. Business rates don't affect me, however I'm very much against the changes the Tories made, but do I see Labour changing them back? Nope. What worries me is that Labour are going to aim their guns not just at business, but at people earning over £26K. No-one would call £26K a fortune, hell in parts of the country you'd struggle to live off that full stop. If Labour and that do go after Starbucks et al, that really is going to be painful for people like me. Edited April 21, 2017 by Ekona Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Over 70% of the forum going for Tory!! Gosh this place must be full of well heeled people. I cannot think of a worse person to be in charge than a former accountant with a spouse who is a city banker.... Why? You'd think that someone who knows how to make money rather than spunk it up the wall would be ideal to be in charge of trillions of pounds. When you consider that Corbyn himself said the other day that he was aiming to help those earning £26K and under, that puts an awful lot of normal people in the category that he wants to hammer... The person living at number 11 is actually in charge of that money not the PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AliveBoy Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 Also, I'd just like to point out that 38% of UK income tax is paid by 1% of the population. That 1% of people are the ones who are so rich they can literally leave overnight. A lot of that 1% have come here because they're happy to pay our tax rates as they're more reasonable than other countries, if they leave for nicer shores, we've actually lost a huge amount of tax revenue, which will have to be paid by someone else. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 The person living at number 11 is actually in charge of that money not the PM I don't believe for one second that the PM doesn't okay every single move the chancellor makes, not these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 The person living at number 11 is actually in charge of that money not the PM I don't believe for one second that the PM doesn't okay every single move the chancellor makes, not these days. I guess you are entitled to that opinion, I imagine the PM 'signs off' on things like any MD of a large business would, but like any large business the accountants hold the purse strings and inform the leadership on how money is used. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 (edited) Not at all, I was just being flippant. Not really very helpful for those that dont have the wherewithall to actually check it though, is it? Im at a bit of a loss where to stick my vote TBH. Its pretty clear to me that Toryism doesnt work and that we really need a more socialist approach, but as per Ekonas comments a lot of the sabre rattling from Corbyn is pretty worrying as a high earner and a business owner - Im not a rich man, I work bloody hard for what Ive got and Im not really down with someone arbitrarily deciding that Ive got too much and penalising me and my employees for it. My biggest concern though is that Corbyn isnt a leader. He doesnt have the support of his party or his MP's, he didnt seem to know if he was in favour of Brexit or not and this lumping of all "business" together is abhorrent IMO, the difference between my company and BHS is enormous - he should know this and yet he still keeps smashing the same old drum. And even with the strongest hallucinogens you can take, I still dont think anyone could see Corbyn negotiating with the rest of the EU regarding Brexit, hes got nothing about him at all. What would be nice is for the LibDems to see a resurgence in popularity so they actually become a viable prospect ....... but I doubt thats going to happen either, we are either stuck with the nasty ones or the ineffective ones. Edited April 21, 2017 by docwra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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