Aashenfox Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) Yeh, so really another case of a leader serving her own interests before those of the people. One of the main things that is wrong with the world. Nothing to see here folks, move along. When democracy was invented (by the Greeks, as they so proudly point out at every opportunity), it was well envisioned. Only educated men who knew what they were voting for got the right to vote, and all was well, the government was always chosen by society's most valuable minds. Sure, that often (but not always) resulted in a crappy deal for the poor, which is how we find ourself where we are today. Unfortunately though, the sheer number of people on this planet has now increased to a point where the unwashed and uneducated masses are now higher in influence than the educated elite who have become decadent and complacent that the status quo will persist, and the same poorer and ultimately unhappy element is easily manipulated by greedy politicians who no longer have the people's best interest at heart, as they spoon feed them bullshit, which the sheeple later cast votes based upon. This is why the world is going down the toilet, plain and simple. Democracy doesn't work in a society that has a majority self destructive element, it reduces that society to the lowest common denominator. We need a new model of government boys and girls, anyone got any bright ideas? Edited March 29, 2017 by Aashenfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Parliament of Ekona where one voice rules all? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashenfox Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) Interestingly, historically, only one form of government has been overwhelmingly beneficial to an entire society, the dictatorship (lest any should forget, the period of Roman rule was one of the most beneficial periods in British history). Unfortunately, it also comes with a disclaimer: You must be benevolent and not evil. So I guess that's Dan out. Edited March 29, 2017 by Aashenfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Parliament of Ekona where one voice rules all? stuff that. .....everyone NOT running on MPSS' s would get hanged 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Its horrific stuff! Water is usually a good substitute for thirst quenching? It's really easy to go off people very quickly Colin ya know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I did try a can in Scotland along with some fried food, so took in the whole Scottish experience, I couldn't buy into it sorry - although haggis and tatties... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I did try a can in Scotland along with some fried food, so took in the whole Scottish experience, I couldn't buy into it sorry - although haggis and tatties... Aye forgot you liked the haggis. ...All is forgiven my friend lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 A good read Irn Bru, thanks for some insight from the north of the border. I am sure i have read NS quoted as saying, she has dedicated her life to Scottish "independence", or as earlier, not wanting to be part of the UK. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aashenfox Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) Those Haggis are bastards to catch, I spent all day running clockwise round the mountain, didn't even see one, let alone run into one. *For anyone who doesn't know, Haggis are shy Highland roaming creatures with three legs, one much shorter than the other two. The females have the short leg on the right and the males on the left. It's just as well that they are this way, as to stay upright, naturally, the male Haggis must always move anti-clockwise round the mountain (hence I was hunting male haggis by walking clockwise, thought for sure I'd run into one) and the females clockwise, since they aren;t the fastest of movers, moving in one direction would make mating a somewhat slower process. In the Spring you can see the males running quite fast looking for females, anti-clockwise, naturally. Edited March 29, 2017 by Aashenfox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 A good read Irn Bru, thanks for some insight from the north of the border. I am sure i have read NS quoted as saying, she has dedicated her life to Scottish "independence", or as earlier, not wanting to be part of the UK. Her one and only reason for getting into politics was to push for independence, she became very political at a very young age and with her it's independence my way, and only my way. "Independence transends everything else" is one of her quotes and is her usp for her sheep. Trust us Jocks, we know it's much more complicated and passionate than her way and the majority of yes voters have accepted the indy ref result from 2014, the problem is there are still many Jocks watching Braveheart every Saturday night 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 A fella that works for me has a Scottish wife, according to her apparently its the youngsters backing "independence", would you agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StevoD Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Parliament of Ekona where one voice rules all? Dibs on secretary of transport role Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 A fella that works for me has a Scottish wife, according to her apparently its the youngsters backing "independence", would you agree? Yes and no tbh. Alot of youngsters are happy that the snp have engaged with them at a younger age than any other political party ever in history. And alot IMHO blindly follow the snp's eu stance because the snp involves them and being teenagers they like to kick back against their parents lol. Plus nowadays the EU propaganda especially in schools kind of brainwashed them from an early age, this is something I totally disagree with, but that's the EU for you. Many of us older folks know better 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Parliament of Ekona where one voice rules all? stuff that. .....everyone NOT running on MPSS' s would get hanged And rightly so! Exceptions for R888R and MPSC2, of course. Some excellent points you made there matey, and I think it shows how incredibly naive NS is in picking a fight now. She's relying on all those who voted Yes doing so again, as well as picking up votes from those who voted against Brexit. Great if you can, but as you say trying not to alienate one group by playing PR games with the other is easier said than done. Ultimately though, let's say she gets a vote post-Brexit and loses: What then? How many times in a generation does a once in a generation vote take place? Is there any real need for the SNP if it cannot win independence? Clearly NS would go, but for the party as a whole they all look a bit dead if that's the case. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 Alec hasnt so why would Sturgeon? Although they both should, just like Dave. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Parliament of Ekona where one voice rules all? stuff that. .....everyone NOT running on MPSS' s would get hanged And rightly so! Exceptions for R888R and MPSC2, of course. Some excellent points you made there matey, and I think it shows how incredibly naive NS is in picking a fight now. She's relying on all those who voted Yes doing so again, as well as picking up votes from those who voted against Brexit. Great if you can, but as you say trying not to alienate one group by playing PR games with the other is easier said than done. Ultimately though, let's say she gets a vote post-Brexit and loses: What then? How many times in a generation does a once in a generation vote take place? Is there any real need for the SNP if it cannot win independence? Clearly NS would go, but for the party as a whole they all look a bit dead if that's the case. Agree with you 100% Dan ...... but the hard core indy supporters are like Robert the Bruce when resting in his cave hideout and watching the spider trying to spin it's web and failing again and again, but... It kept trying till it suceeded. The hardcore are following his tale !!!! https://www.storiestogrowby.org/story/spider-robert-the-bruce/ Unfortunately until labour gets its act together ( read that as getting rid of corby and his cabinet), Scotland will never again vote them in. He's viewed up here as a complete loser and a leftist tosser. And the Tories......well we all know what we think of them up here historically. Thatcher is still etched in deeply in our memories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stutopia Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Is it not contradictory that you mention Blair and the red Tories blew the Scottish Labour vote (which I totally agree with BTW), but then you say Scottish voters are against Corbyn for being "a leftist tosser". If the party can't be hard left or soft left, then where are they supposed to be? Or is it just simply the Corbyn image problem? I'm not having a go, just curious about where you think they should be to get the critical votes back from north of the border. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Alec hasnt so why would Sturgeon? Although they both should, just like Dave. What most people who don't really know Scottish politics is that SNP politicians are a different breed of human. They are so focused, much more than your Joe blogs mp's are and ever likely to be, fanatical almost to the point of nothing else matters. I have to admit I too was fairly close to that degree of nationalism during the thatcher years and I was young and easily swayed on the political front. Mellowed over the years on it now though but it reared it's ugly head again throughout 2014. I'll say it again......we had our chance and shat it, job done, time to move on with our life's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 Is it not contradictory that you mention Blair and the red Tories blew the Scottish Labour vote (which I totally agree with BTW), but then you say Scottish voters are against Corbyn for being "a leftist tosser". If the party can't be hard left or soft left, then where are they supposed to be? Or is it just simply the Corbyn image problem? I'm not having a go, just curious about where you think they should be to get the critical votes back from north of the border. Weak is how we view him and not the labour the Jocks would vote for imo. Also up in Scotland, We've got Kezia Dugdale representing labour, Ruth Davidson for Tory, Nicolas Sturgeon for SNP..........no being sexist but .......... Scotland likes a centrist policy party these days and the snp are stronger / better at getting their ideas of it over to the masses. They are gifted at portraying themselves as the saving the Scots from Satan's lair that is Westminster. Having said all that, there is a male labour msp really making a name for himself up here but can't mind his name at the mo, I'll go google 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I like Ruth Davidson, I have to say. It's a shame she's stuck that side of the border, I think she'd give May a run for her money tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I like Ruth Davidson, I have to say. It's a shame she's stuck that side of the border, I think she'd give May a run for her money tbh. Not sure on her tbh but she's a good debater, I'll give her that. Truth be told Scotland has no standout politicians except Sturgeon, don't like her but she knows how to argue a point cleverly without ever giving you the answer your looking for, but that's ingrained in politicians world wide Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 I don't think she knows how to argue a point at all, I just think she knows how to repeat a catchphrase. Quite how she has the nerve to bang on at TM today with A50 being started saying that the Tories have no idea what they're doing with regards to Brexit, whilst still pushing for independence of which she has even less of a clue puzzles me. She cannot even answer what Scotland would do about driving licences, or car registrations, never mind how to run a country on pittance and Irn Bru. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irn Bru Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 That's a very valid point, she is a broken down record atm, but prior to the brexit vote, she was very good and like I said in earlier post she is being thought of as a dictator lately, which will cost her the next indy ref if there is one. She is losing the confidence of a lot of yessers. She has not learned from 2014 that if you can't give the country what currency etc etc for indy then it's a deal breaker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WINKJ Posted March 29, 2017 Share Posted March 29, 2017 (edited) Random point and can't type much as broken my hand but I wonder if England will ever get a referendum to divorce the rest of the UK. You heard it here first! Edited March 29, 2017 by WINKJ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jetpilot Posted March 29, 2017 Author Share Posted March 29, 2017 Political suicide but I likè your thinking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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