stuey Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 a do ron ron a do ron ron.............. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Oh I see, I think this is for the case then they pay the actual fuel bill, as in the company fuel card? I get paid a certain number of pence per mile by work. I think thats where its different The only tax I claim back is on the difference between the government recommended rate of 45p (<10k per annum) and what work pay me. Chris,Your company will always sent it to tthe Tax Office and give you a copy. Then when you fill in tax form you fill in the details from the P11d. They should match. They will then treat it like "unearned income" and tax it at your rate, likely to be 40%. Then on your tax return you claim back your business miles, 40p for first 10,000 miles as an allowance. This is then offset against the tax bill. To cut a long story short, if you do 8,000 business miles then its worth filling in forms. The offset value is likely to be bigger than the tax on the fuel and then the nice tax man sends you a cheque instead of a demand for monies. ChrisMy works pays for fuel also but still put 95 most of the time. Anything that work pay for is likely to be on your P11d and therefore you get taxed on it. So really your are likely to be paying only 40% of the difference between 95 and 97 but you will be paying. I am closer to £5k of fuel now and therefore a 10% saving is worth it. [numpty_hat] OK, probably me being dumb, but I havent ever filled out a P11d. Would they somehow be doing this for me and then that being added to my tax code for PAYEE? [/numpty_hat] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polarbear Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I just like to be nice to my baby as work pays for my fuel ...so does mine, but (a) they get touchy about premier fuels, and ( I still end up paying 40% of it as a taxable benefit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H5 Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 I put 97RON (V Power) in as everytime I have tested it the cost per mile is less with the premium stuff in the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b Posted February 29, 2008 Share Posted February 29, 2008 Polarbear, Make you you are claiming the allowance/offset back as I should get approx £1000 cheque from the nice Tax Office. I just like to be nice to my baby as work pays for my fuel ...so does mine, but (a) they get touchy about premier fuels, and ( I still end up paying 40% of it as a taxable benefit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Chris Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I put 97RON (V Power) in as everytime I have tested it the cost per mile is less with the premium stuff in the tank. That's what I`m interested in hearing. So the higher priced fuel does actually give you a better mpg? I`ve got an empty tank so I`ll go fill up with the posh stuff now and see how I do Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H5 Posted March 1, 2008 Share Posted March 1, 2008 I put 97RON (V Power) in as everytime I have tested it the cost per mile is less with the premium stuff in the tank. That's what I`m interested in hearing. So the higher priced fuel does actually give you a better mpg? I`ve got an empty tank so I`ll go fill up with the posh stuff now and see how I do In my 'tests' yes. My Zed went about 10% further on average and at the time the fuel was 9% more expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I put 97RON (V Power) in as everytime I have tested it the cost per mile is less with the premium stuff in the tank. That's what I`m interested in hearing. So the higher priced fuel does actually give you a better mpg? I`ve got an empty tank so I`ll go fill up with the posh stuff now and see how I do In my 'tests' yes. My Zed went about 10% further on average and at the time the fuel was 9% more expensive. I get another ~5MPG more with Tesco 99RON over 95RON, which would be ~15% improvement so this tallies with the above Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polarbear Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 Polarbear,Make you you are claiming the allowance/offset back as I should get approx £1000 cheque from the nice Tax Office. Err, wassat then??? Me (plus my accountant) follow the rules in that private fuel is a taxable benefit therefore you pay as if the gross cost was part of your salary, so you pay the chancellor 10%/22%(soon to be 20%)/40% of this at the various breakpoints. Am I missing something??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toon Chris Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 I put 97RON (V Power) in as everytime I have tested it the cost per mile is less with the premium stuff in the tank. That's what I`m interested in hearing. So the higher priced fuel does actually give you a better mpg? I`ve got an empty tank so I`ll go fill up with the posh stuff now and see how I do In my 'tests' yes. My Zed went about 10% further on average and at the time the fuel was 9% more expensive. I get another ~5MPG more with Tesco 99RON over 95RON, which would be ~15% improvement so this tallies with the above Hmmm. Tesco 99 has a lot of Ethanol in it. Not my cup of tea for my Z ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve_b Posted March 2, 2008 Share Posted March 2, 2008 You still pay for private fuel, but you should be able to claim back business mileage. If you do more business miles than personal then you will likely have a bigger allownace than you are taxed on your personal ones. (assuming you are not spending more than 40p per mile in fuel) Polarbear,Make you you are claiming the allowance/offset back as I should get approx £1000 cheque from the nice Tax Office. Err, wassat then??? Me (plus my accountant) follow the rules in that private fuel is a taxable benefit therefore you pay as if the gross cost was part of your salary, so you pay the chancellor 10%/22%(soon to be 20%)/40% of this at the various breakpoints. Am I missing something??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james852 Posted March 24, 2008 Author Share Posted March 24, 2008 i did a test at 70mph on the motoer way on 95 ron i got 33.0mpg and on 97 ron i was getting 33.8mpg not much in it really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H5 Posted March 31, 2008 Share Posted March 31, 2008 i did a test at 70mph on the motoer way on 95 ron i got 33.0mpg and on 97 ron i was getting 33.8mpg not much in it really. Air density, humidity, temperature, tyre pressures and throttle position all identical?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
james852 Posted April 15, 2008 Author Share Posted April 15, 2008 well i guess so:wacko: i drove down to london on 95 and back again the next day in the same kind of weather on 97. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H5 Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 Try at least three tanks of each and take an average. It can take time for it to flush through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mugwump Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 well i guess so:wacko: i drove down to london on 95 and back again the next day in the same kind of weather on 97. The ECU wont adjust immediately on the way up, its pretty quick on the way down because the knock sensor causes the engine to back off the timing but you need to get to nearly empty, fill up with 97, run that through and the next tankful of 97 after that will show the full improvement. Having said that I only really noticed the power benefit when *hooning*, I suspect because the timing map is not that different at lower rpm for either fuel, motorways showed very little difference in mpg for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shire350Z Posted April 15, 2008 Share Posted April 15, 2008 i always use V-power its just gotta be better for the internals than the cheap sh!t supermarkets sell!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece995 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I'd reco. using Vpower of BP Ultimate, although it is a more expensive way to run an already thirsty car, I have noticed the performance drtop when I've been forced to use 95ron, however if petrol prices keep increasing as they are at the moment and my fuel bill hitting £500+ per month I may soon be using 95ron. Is there an addiditve that you can put in the tank?? as besides the performance, the Vpower of BP Ultimate clean the engine as they go better than regular fuel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 i always use V-power its just gotta be better for the internals than the cheap sh!t supermarkets sell!!! James, you do realise the only difference between cheap sh!t and supermarket stuff is the additives they stick in the tanker? I cant remember if it was on here or Cupra net, but there was a lad who worked in the business and he informatively told us the additives were the only diff. The actual petrol is the same Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Absolutely correct Chris. The additives are different but are put in the tanker before the the petrol is put in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Absolutely correct Chris. The additives are different but are put in the tanker before the the petrol is put in it. So the question is, are the additives they add worth it? Hmmmm..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 There was a mention that supermarkets put in rough measurements where as BP / Shell etc put in measured amounts. I don't like BP fuel as it's frothy as hell. It annoys me so I don't use it. I have used Tesco 99 without a problem but use Shell V power as it's close to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris`I Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 Yeah I think it comes down to the closest garage really. BP are just around the corner, but Tesco are about another 2mins away (and on my way to work) and are a hell of a lot cheaper. I did once have to put 10 quids worth of Morrisons 95RON in and felt dirty Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reece995 Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 I know that feeling, I've always run the car on vpower or bp Ultimate right from the start but every now again I have been caught with the feeling of is there enough to get to my BP/Shell garage, no I'd better not risk it - being at the side of the road with a Zed that's run out of fuel is the ultimate shameful experience - so I had to put £10 of normal ASDA fuel in I had to apologise to the car for the horrible taste in its pipes and promptly topped up with some good juice Putting £10 in made me feel a bit 'Pikey' as well - you could almost imagine the comments - he's got the car but can't afford to run it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmac Posted July 3, 2008 Share Posted July 3, 2008 My problem is that discounting the Shell garage which I wont use for reasons I wont go into it costs me two gallons to go and fill up. And remember these are distances by crow so 10 miles to Morecambe would get the car a little wet. Barrow-in-furness 18.26 miles 120.9p 01-07-2008 Shell Lakeland Barrow-in-furness 16.62 miles 121.9p 27-06-2008 Tribicar Filling Station Morecambe 10.82 miles 122p 01-07-2008 Lound Road Garage Ltd Kendal 18.89 miles 122.9p 27-06-2008 Shell Ulverston Ulverston 7.32 miles 123.9p 27-06-2008 Shell West View Fleetwood 18.87 miles 123.9p 27-06-2008 Canal Garage Milnthorpe 18.97 miles 123.9p 01-07-2008 Hills Garage Ambleside 17.08 miles 124.9p 29-06-2008 Plantation Filling Station Kendal 17.77 miles 124.9p 29-06-2008 Bowling Green Filling Station Lancaster 16.51 miles 125.9p 27-06-2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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