GTR ON 5TH GEAR IN 10 MINS

[bobby]

the spec-V isnt going to come anytime soon....the 2 trims are gt-r and gt-r premium i think...which will cost approx 2-4k higher than the base price. The likely pricing should be around 60k. The geneva show is when the GT-R is launched in EU. and prices in all markets along with nissan HPC lists for EU will be announced as well.

[MrLizard]

id find it difficult not to buy a porsche for that money...

 

would love to take it out for a spin myself though, gtr looks awesome...

[Rob_Quads]

Which Porsche would you go for at 60K?

 

I get the feeling that the GT-R is going to hold its value quite well.

[MrLizard]

for 60k prolly the gtr but for another 20k if we are up to v-spec model then

 

http://search.autotrader.co.uk/es-uk/www/cars/PORSCHE+911+GT3/Ne-2-4-5-6-7-8-27-44-49-53-61-64-67-103-133-146,N-4294961728-4294967213/advert.action?R=200807303854169&distance=41&postcode=cv57pp&channel=CARS&make=PORSCHE&model=911+GT3&min_pr=&max_pr=&max_mileage=

 

or alike, still, im dreaming at the moment in a few years maybe, right now im skint, decided to buy a house the same weekend i got the zed

[Chesterfield]

In my honest opinion, although I love the 350, only severely restricted numbers will prevent a £60k car with a Nissan badge losing money very rapidly.

 

The car is still a bargain for that sort of performance, even at £60k. Its certainly in the same league performance wise as the likes of Ferrari, Lamborghini and Porsche turbo. The problem is the GTR bears the same manufacturer badge as the Micra, Primera and Sunny.

 

Chuck a Porsche key on the table in the pub and people who know nothing about cars raise an eyebrow (and the key could belong to a rusting old 922). Do the same with a Nissan - or even something that says GTR, and its simply isnt the same.

 

The car can whoop a 911 Turbo, Gallardo or F430 all it wants, and those who can appreciate performance will be laughing all the way to the bank with a car with that performance for "only" £60k, but for the rest of the world, although all us here know different, the Nissan badge just isnt in the same league.

 

Sell the same car to us UK owners for £40k that they sell in Japan for £30k and you may have a deal - pricing it at double the Japan price just for us lucky UK folk, and its taking the Mick as far as Im concerned.

[Sarnie]

Which Porsche would you go for at 60K?

 

I get the feeling that the GT-R is going to hold its value quite well.

 

i don't think it will, not with plenty of 12 month old imports to choose from this time next year. Should be able to get one for less than 40k this time next year.

[bobby]

I find it very intresting that everyone on here is concerned about the 40k price in japan? the porsche there is approx 80k!!! I had given a comparative price between the 2 cars in JDM, USDM and UK markets.

 

the japanese car in japan is obviously going to be cheaper than an import car in japan. And if nissan is trying to beat every other sports car manufacturer currently selling in japan, I dont think that the 40k price in japan is something to base opinions on.

 

on a 40 k car shipped out to uk

1k shipping and insurance (minimum)

41k +10% duties

45.1k +17.5% VAT

52.3k before SVA, model report generation, registration or anything else.

 

Even at JDM prices the car will be approx 54k on UK shores...im sorry but I just dont get it when everyone talks about a 40k JDM price and equates it to our market here...

If nissan sells a EU car with full serviceing and warranty for 3 yrs @60-65k here....im not complaining for less than 10k. Like i said earlier..different story altogether in 2 yrs when you get used cars shipped out from JDM for £20k but even then we are all here talking about getting the car now, brand new...

[lomoto]

GTR.... at the price it will hit the UK at, will be way to high IMO, I would sooner have a DB9 etc..

[Trev-the-Rev]

Which Porsche would you go for at 60K?

 

I get the feeling that the GT-R is going to hold its value quite well.

 

i don't think it will, not with plenty of 12 month old imports to choose from this time next year. Should be able to get one for less than 40k this time next year.

 

I agree. The other factor to consider is the brand doesn't have the kudos of Porsche, BMW, etc, and is likely to depreciate more heavily as a result.

[Guest prescience]

Also the reliability of the admittedly advanced technology is completely unknown in even short-term use - even with a warranty, repeated trips to the dealer will kill residuals

[nixy]

It won't be people who are bothered about the price or the depreciation that buy it I suppose. I thought it looked and sounded great but by the time I could afford one it would be about as outdated as a capri!

[Chesterfield]

Lets not forget the sub £40k price in Japan is the price on the road from the dealers.

 

When comparing it to the price the UK dealers will be selling at, we shouldnt use the retail price in Japan as the starting point, as I doubt very much if the dealers in the UK will be importing the cars to their show rooms the same was as us mere mortals would have to.

 

Making the profit per car in the UK (if sold at the £60k point) a complete joke compared to those in the US and Japan. IMHO of course.

[Ebized]

I know what you are saying about the badging/values but there are always the exceptions when they are inherently great cars i.e. NSX's, Integrales. Personally I would also want the UK dealer back-up rather than having to travel huge distances to find a reputable specialist to put things right, apart from the delays in getting parts from Japan that might not be standard on UK supplied cars.

 

What I don't understand is why the years wait - the politicians here and in Europe are increasingly discouraging big petrol engined cars and it is only going to get worse. As that has the potential to affect sales in the not too distant future Nissan GB could be shooting themselves in the proverbial.

 

Having said that, from all I have seen and heard and if the circumstances are right about two years down the line, I would be puting my name down for one.

[steve_b]

I am not looking at buying new from Japan, I have always said 1 year model in 1 years. That way I can get a 30-40k car and its UK equv is 60k from a dealer. Also hope that most of the warrenty work that would need doing is done in the first year by JDM owner.

 

The likelihoods is that when I import it will be delimited as wel, so I get a better car (quicker) than a UK buyer gets. Would be funny if you are doing a ring trip in a 350Zed and overtake a GTR that is still limited to 118mph.

 

As on other thread and info from GTR forum UK buyer could be looking at £1k post track day inspection. That would mean I would have a 6k bill each year, say 4-5 track days and 1 ring trip each year. Will not be spending 6k on servicing so the JDM import is cheaper in first place and would be cheaper to run on annual basis so no brainer to me.

 

Then if I sell after a year then would still get decent price as UK model only out for 12 months. And hope I can drive a 180mph car at 4 sec 0-62 for £5k. I lost more than that on the zed.

 

As for resell and badges, think that is very true as people with 80k are worried about what the neighbours and work peers think so that will limit the market. There are 5-6 porkers at my work and I doubt one of them would buy a GTR just because of the Nissan badge. But people like me who do not care will be limited to the likes of a 350z which is a 30k motor.

[GC350z]

All I'm reading here is a lot of bullshit speculation.

 

Why would an EU car be limited to 110mph or 118mph? EU/UK spec is always different from JDM. Be it suspension or options/spec it always differs.

 

Now lets talk about this track day crap. If you went in for a warranty job on you Z tomorrow because your brakes failed as a result of boiling the fluid on a track day do you honestly think Nissan will cover you? On the other hand if Nissan did an inspection of your car before hand you can then drive like a complete muppet and not be concerned about the gear box and other serious mechanicals.

 

More importantly there is still the question of servicing (and tuning) will it included in the price as it is in Japan? There is a possibility that it wont be.

[Sarnie]

I am not looking at buying new from Japan, I have always said 1 year model in 1 years. That way I can get a 30-40k car and its UK equv is 60k from a dealer. Also hope that most of the warrenty work that would need doing is done in the first year by JDM owner.

 

The likelihoods is that when I import it will be delimited as wel, so I get a better car (quicker) than a UK buyer gets. Would be funny if you are doing a ring trip in a 350Zed and overtake a GTR that is still limited to 118mph.

 

As on other thread and info from GTR forum UK buyer could be looking at £1k post track day inspection. That would mean I would have a 6k bill each year, say 4-5 track days and 1 ring trip each year. Will not be spending 6k on servicing so the JDM import is cheaper in first place and would be cheaper to run on annual basis so no brainer to me.

 

Then if I sell after a year then would still get decent price as UK model only out for 12 months. And hope I can drive a 180mph car at 4 sec 0-62 for £5k. I lost more than that on the zed.

 

As for resell and badges, think that is very true as people with 80k are worried about what the neighbours and work peers think so that will limit the market. There are 5-6 porkers at my work and I doubt one of them would buy a GTR just because of the Nissan badge. But people like me who do not care will be limited to the likes of a 350z which is a 30k motor.

 

I'm thinking along the same lines as you. When i say a £40k I also mean a 12 months old car with 5-6k on the clock, delimited with any warranty issues remedied by that time, hopefully.

 

I reckon approx £40-45k OTR is a realistic figure to be paying for a 12 month old JDM import this time next year. The uk market will inevitably then be flooded with imports, like the zed, which will kill uk car prices. As with most cars, once you drive it off the forecourt you've lost 10-15%......

[stanski]

The only thing that annoys me is £30k in Japan, £60k here

 

Like some of the other guys have said for that money there is a lot of other metal around - I mean you can get a 200mph Bently Continental GT on an 05 plate for that money - I mean its really a no brainer unless you really must have the GT - R?

 

Looked cool last night though but even at £30K I would still rather a Zed !

 

They could have done a bit more detail about the car though? Shame..

 

Incidentally (slightly off topic) the VW Camper Type 2 Brazillian model they showed thats like the original Bay window model - aviod - build quality from Brazil is pants !! Sorry still an aircooled fan!

[Sarnie]

The only thing that annoys me is £30k in Japan, £60k here

 

Like some of the other guys have said for that money there is a lot of other metal around - I mean you can get a 200mph Bently Continental GT on an 05 plate for that money - I mean its really a no brainer unless you really must have the GT - R?

 

+1

 

The higher the price is on its uk release the less appealing it is. I wouldn't buy it for it being the fastest thing around but because its the fastest thing around AND its fantastic value for money. £60k+ and this appeal reduces significantly for me.

[steve_b]

GC350z,

Do you have it confirmed about the speed limit removal from EU cars, if not then suggest you reserve your comment until you do hear as in your words "BS speculation" as you infer in my post.

 

Do you think everyone on a track drives like a "muppet" perhaps you should get to more track days as I have seen better driving on track days than on the road many times.

 

As for Nissan warrenty work on tracked cars, was there not 150ish Zeds on a silverstone track recently. Yes it was not a track day but they where driven on a track. Are they all now NOT covered by NMGB warranty. Plus there are lots of people that get warranty work done after track days, just not declared that it has happened. When I got warrenty work done on my zed NOT once did I get asked if it had been on a track or at the ring. I would have been honest if was asked as there is pics to prove I have been on track so no point lying, JUST dealer does not ask so I do not haver to offer info. Why should he, but the GTR is different and more likely to be a tracked car as its high performance model.

 

as for servicing in Japan, do not care if it is or it is not included. The car I would be buying will be serviced and makes no difference if it is paid for by NM Japan or previous owner.

 

Do not think you have added anything but thats my opinion.

I just want to ensure people are aware of the pro and cons before stumping up for a deposit on a UK model then finding out they could have save well over £20,000 by importing and possibly getting the car quicker.

 

All I'm reading here is a lot of bullshit speculation.

 

Why would an EU car be limited to 110mph or 118mph? EU/UK spec is always different from JDM. Be it suspension or options/spec it always differs.

 

Now lets talk about this track day crap. If you went in for a warranty job on you Z tomorrow because your brakes failed as a result of boiling the fluid on a track day do you honestly think Nissan will cover you? On the other hand if Nissan did an inspection of your car before hand you can then drive like a complete muppet and not be concerned about the gear box and other serious mechanicals.

 

More importantly there is still the question of servicing (and tuning) will it included in the price as it is in Japan? There is a possibility that it wont be.

[bobby]

Jap cars dont have servicing included.

everybody talks about the GT-R like its a micra on steroids. It isnt. It is a car comparable to Porsche, lambo,fezza etc. The servicing and parts of these cars will also be in the same league. Nissan has made a car worthy to be in that league of cars. Prices may be cheaper to buy...but dont be fooled friends...it aint going to be cheap to run!

Yes..you can get parts outside the dealership, use non dealer places to work on the car..pretty much do everything we all do now to cut costs...but how far long down the years would that be possible for every GT-R buyer to do easily?? I have been talking to some people i know in the US dealer lists..indications this early are that part prices are in the supercar league. So unless you are running a lambo/fezza/porker now...dont even think of running a GT-R as an upgrade from the Z..lol..

Regarding track inspections...nothing is confirmed yet..so we are all still wondering what it will be.

[Chesterfield]

Why not, Im not currently running a Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini and UK pricing dependent Im considering it as an upgrade.

 

It may be in the same league as those cars performance wise, and possibly running cost wise, but the concern for many is, will the extra £10,15, 20k over import prices be justified in the dealer support needed/offered?

[steve_b]

Bobby

If you hear anything about post track inspection can you please please post as soon as you get the info as that would make it impossible for me to buy a UK model.

 

Take your point on pricing is more than just list price. My bimmer is 47k list so know things go up in price and GTR will be different to Zed, but I am half way in price terms already.

 

Do you also know if we can get parts from the US cheaper than JPN. Given the exchange rates I think it would be cheaper that way and given the number that ship in the US, they may hold more stock items than UK dealer will.

 

Geneva needs a good write up from those going as there will be lots of questions coming your way.

[Sarnie]

Why not, Im not currently running a Porsche, Ferrari or Lamborghini and UK pricing dependent Im considering it as an upgrade.

 

It may be in the same league as those cars performance wise, and possibly running cost wise, but the concern for many is, will the extra £10,15, 20k over import prices be justified in the dealer support needed/offered?

 

And we all know Nissan's service record to date is shite! Why would a GT-R be any different? It will still be the same idiots providing the service but just reading out of a different manual and using different equipment.

 

If you pay a lot of money for a car and a lot for its servicing you expect a lot in return from the dealer. Nissan have done nothing in the 5 years since the zeds launch to istill any faith in me that they are going to be any more competent at dealing with the GT-R. Think shocking customer service, parts on back order from Japan for weeks or even months and the fact that we as owners will probably know more about the car than the dealer.

[bobby]

""It may be in the same league as those cars performance wise, and possibly running cost wise, but the concern for many is, will the extra £10,15, 20k over import prices be justified in the dealer support needed/offered?""

 

There will not be a £15k price difference. mayb £10k max if you really want the price differential to stand out and try hard at it. From what I know so far, service costs for 3 yrs are included in sale price, however, I can confirm and give you more info after Geneva which will be more detailed than standard Q&A sessions at the GT-R stand...

 

""If you hear anything about post track inspection can you please please post as soon as you get the info as that would make it impossible for me to buy a UK model.

 

Take your point on pricing is more than just list price. My bimmer is 47k list so know things go up in price and GTR will be different to Zed, but I am half way in price terms already.

 

Do you also know if we can get parts from the US cheaper than JPN. Given the exchange rates I think it would be cheaper that way and given the number that ship in the US, they may hold more stock items than UK dealer will.""

 

I will share any info I get regarding the track day inspection costs. Parts prices are still too early to say as they havent come out in the open markets to compare prices. Low volume production, warranty period..they all contribute to low parts availability in the open market. It will be a yr or so before there are actual parts stockists world wide for us to compare and buy cheaper. Until then we all take what we get!!!

 

""And we all know Nissan's service record to date is shite! Why would a GT-R be any different? It will still be the same idiots providing the service but just reading out of a different manual and using different equipment.""

 

I'm afraid I have to disagree on that statement. Nissan has planned High performance Centers-HPC's world wide to cater for the GT-R. Low numbers of specialist HPC's to take care of the electronics, 3-type paint job and the high tech running gear on the GT-R and specialist sales training as well. I will agree to your inference that nissan have been shite so far in customer service and the possibility of them screwing up again is very high....but I would like to think that they have so much reputation at stake to screw up the plans for the GT-R. especially with low volume initial sales. Guess you will have to get a uk GT-R and get it looked after at nissan HPC to confirm your experience with them, as none of us can possibly confirm if nissan is still going to **** it all up at this crucial stage of business with the GT-R!

[GC350z]

GC350z,

Do you have it confirmed about the speed limit removal from EU cars, if not then suggest you reserve your comment until you do hear as in your words "BS speculation" as you infer in my post.

 

All JDM cars have a speed limit restrictor. All of them. Not one EU spec Jap car has the same 110/118mph speed restrictor. Why??? Because the Germans have their own 155mph agreement.

 

Do you think everyone on a track drives like a "muppet" perhaps you should get to more track days as I have seen better driving on track days than on the road many times.

 

Steve you’ve obviously misunderstood what I said. “you can then drive like a complete muppet and not be concernedâ€