coldel Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 It is technicalities like this that you should use to your advantage. For instance I remember something about a bedroom not being officially a bedroom if it doesn't have a window (only has a skylight). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsexr Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Kitchen has to have a door or window to the outside to be classed as a kitchen. Its about gas regs and being able to open a vent eg. door or window when you get hot which you will naturally do to stop the build up of Carbon monoxide. For those wondering, carbon monoxide is given off when a gas cooker is running as there is no flue to the outside. As Dan says, just remove a couple of items and the problem is solved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Finally some good news, seller has agreed to remove cooker etc to make it look like a large utility room. Property details have also been amended on the website where it's advertised. Back to speaking with lenders tomorrow, I should have some options in the afternoon. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Try buying a house that's Listed. We had to pull out of a purchase recently because there was no record of the relevant permission for a loft conversion. Now we're back at square one (the place we've offered on now is also Listed but they've got the relevant paperwork). Can't say I'm ever going to want to go through this again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I wanted a Grade 2 listed house initially, unfortunately it sold before I had a chance to put an offer on. It would have been an amazing purchase with huge potential, but a lot of work required though... http://www.rightmove.co.uk/property-for-sale/property-46843024.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 Kitchen has to have a door or window to the outside to be classed as a kitchen. Our kitchen is in the middle of the house with no direct door to the outside... I wanted a Grade 2 listed house initially, unfortunately it sold before I had a chance to put an offer on. It would have been an amazing purchase with huge potential, but a lot of work required though... http://www.rightmove...y-46843024.html Looks amazing and £250k sounds cheap for that much house... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 That's good value for a big house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 OK, if its a £1m used Ferrari bought with some finance involved which will be worth £50m in 25 years time - the system is the same. Hell people pay for stuff worth millions in an auction and walk away with it as an owner, houses included. What we found when we sold a place last year was that the total time required to sell/buy a house is probably no more than two days work, however solicitors juggle hundreds of clients at one time, so you have a two-three week lead time on them to simply answer an email and the whole process drags out - we had to call both of them on a conference call because it was getting something like this: Solicitor one: Did you receive the offer to renovate the roof prior to purchase Solicitor two (two weeks later): Yes, but what about clause 2, can we change that? Solicitor one (one week later): Yes, what do you want to change it to ...and so on My brother bought an empty house last year, took a matter of weeks to buy, check over, pay the deposit, secure the loan and move in. I found things take ages because of too many people in the process who take too long to do things who take too much money to do something relatively easy. Sorry if that offends any estate agents on here! We've been reasonably happy with our solicitor and the estate agent who dealt with the sale of Jane's flat. But I do feel like whenever progress has been made it has been due to us nagging and pressing for updates. You end up feeling as though you've done most of the work yourself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Kitchen has to have a door or window to the outside to be classed as a kitchen. Our kitchen is in the middle of the house with no direct door to the outside... I wanted a Grade 2 listed house initially, unfortunately it sold before I had a chance to put an offer on. It would have been an amazing purchase with huge potential, but a lot of work required though... http://www.rightmove...y-46843024.html Looks amazing and £250k sounds cheap for that much house... Not so much when you read this: "Unique 6 bedroom Grade II Listed house with outbuildings in need of full refurbishment, enjoying a large corner plot and an imposing turret". If it weren't listed my guess that fiqure would be lot higher - with the plot value not being constrained by the Grade II listing. I have no idea what property prices are in that area. And for an estate agent to use the phrase "full refurbishment" and given any remedial work/changes are subject to spearte listed building consent and you are at the behest of the local Conservation Officer and English Heritage indicates that you would need extremely deep pockets, before you did any of your own decorative work. Needs specialist advice, I would respectfully suggest, so you know exactly what you would be letting yourself in for. Several decades working in that field taught me that you have to have eyes very wide open before taking on a project like that. Edited March 16, 2017 by Ebized Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richf Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Kitchen has to have a door or window to the outside to be classed as a kitchen. Our kitchen is in the middle of the house with no direct door to the outside... I wanted a Grade 2 listed house initially, unfortunately it sold before I had a chance to put an offer on. It would have been an amazing purchase with huge potential, but a lot of work required though... http://www.rightmove...y-46843024.html Looks amazing and £250k sounds cheap for that much house... Not so much when you read this: "Unique 6 bedroom Grade II Listed house with outbuildings in need of full refurbishment, enjoying a large corner plot and an imposing turret". If it weren't listed my guess that fiqure would be lot higher - with the plot value not being constrained by the Grade II listing. I have no idea what property prices are in that area. And for an estate agent to use the phrase "full refurbishment" and given any remedial work/changes are subject to spearte listed building consent and you are at the behest of the local Conservation Officer and English Heritage indicates that you would need extremely deep pockets, before you did any of your own decorative work. Needs eye wide open and specialist advice, I would respectfully suggest, so you know exactly what you would be letting yourself in for. Several decades working in that field taught me that you have to have very wide open before taking on a project like that. I only had to read Lincoln, LN3 lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Not so much when you read this: "Unique 6 bedroom Grade II Listed house with outbuildings in need of full refurbishment, enjoying a large corner plot and an imposing turret". If it weren't listed my guess that fiqure would be lot higher - with the plot value not being constrained by the Grade II listing. I have no idea what property prices are in that area. I'm sorry, I can't hear you from my imposing turret It does say that only the outbuilding needs a refurb. The house itself looks fine on the outside, and I'm assuming that you can make interior changes without much trouble? House sites always list nearby property sale values Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Not so much when you read this: "Unique 6 bedroom Grade II Listed house with outbuildings in need of full refurbishment, enjoying a large corner plot and an imposing turret". If it weren't listed my guess that fiqure would be lot higher - with the plot value not being constrained by the Grade II listing. I have no idea what property prices are in that area. I'm sorry, I can't hear you from my imposing turret It does say that only the outbuilding needs a refurb. The house itself looks fine on the outside, and I'm assuming that you can make interior changes without much trouble? House sites always list nearby property sale values Read the full description - " The property is in need of full renovation throughout" The level of protection varies from property to property as described by Historic England here: Extent of protection The list entry will identify the principal building or buildings that are listed. These will be identified by the formal list entry and not the narrative description, unless there is ambiguity in the list. The whole of any principal building is listed, including the interior. Objects, structures and buildings affixed to a listed building or within its curtilage may also be protected by listing (see below). These rules may mean that considerably more may be protected by the listing than is obvious from the list entry alone and there can often be considerable uncertainty as to what is covered. This apparent unhelpfulness in the rules is mitigated somewhat by the fact that listed building consent is only required if works affect the special interest in the relevant structure. It may be unclear whether a structure is protected, but it may be clear it holds no special interest even if it is. Group value should obviously be considered in assessing the special interest of ancillary buildings. A proverbial minefield, particularly for those not familiar with the procedures, bearing in mind it is a Criminal Offence that can lead to imprisonment if unauthorized work is carried out to a Listed Building. So best Strudul that you keep to your DIY jobs to your Zed 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 I was ready for it, all work involved, the budget, the materials required, the conservation officer stuff, did my research, it would have been a long and costly process, but amazing house when all done, restored to her former glory The one we went for it's not bad either @Colin: I was thinking to name Strudul Project Manager, you ruined it for me! :lol: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 (edited) Our house is listed and its great ......... until you want to do anything to it. Everything costs 5 times as much and you can only make the changes if Planning and Heritage are in agreement so everything takes 5 times as long as well. Because theres more people involved there are more opinions and more chance of stupid rejections, our last attempt was rejected due to "rear views of the house" - you can only see the back of the house if youre trespassing in my garden A friend of mine recently sold a similar sized house to the link that Adrian posted, a few of us were tempted but decided the cost of getting it sorted would be too high. We were right, the new owners have apparently spent upwards of £250K sorting out windows, ceilings, floors, heating system, wiring, plumbing ......... On the upside you dont have to clean as often (its pointless, the house is constantly falling down around us) and any DIY or decorating can be "rustic" (i.e. @*!#) Edited March 16, 2017 by docwra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Read the full description - " The property is in need of full renovation throughout" The level of protection varies from property to property as described by Historic England here: Extent of protection The list entry will identify the principal building or buildings that are listed. These will be identified by the formal list entry and not the narrative description, unless there is ambiguity in the list. The whole of any principal building is listed, including the interior. Objects, structures and buildings affixed to a listed building or within its curtilage may also be protected by listing (see below). These rules may mean that considerably more may be protected by the listing than is obvious from the list entry alone and there can often be considerable uncertainty as to what is covered. This apparent unhelpfulness in the rules is mitigated somewhat by the fact that listed building consent is only required if works affect the special interest in the relevant structure. It may be unclear whether a structure is protected, but it may be clear it holds no special interest even if it is. Group value should obviously be considered in assessing the special interest of ancillary buildings. A proverbial minefield, particularly for those not familiar with the procedures, bearing in mind it is a Criminal Offence that can lead to imprisonment if unauthorized work is carried out to a Listed Building. So best Strudul that you keep to your DIY jobs to your Zed Depends on the extent of the renovation though. As I said, the outside of the main building looks fine, it just looks like the interior needs a refurb. Can you just ignore the outbuildings? I asked a question about whether you can change the interior without the same hassle, which you could have given a simple response to... Is it a case of any interior change still has to be approved, or do you just have to follow the guidelines? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docwra Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 If youre moving walls then you need permission (which is generally not given) but for painting, electrics and stuff its not required. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ebized Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Read the full description - " The property is in need of full renovation throughout" The level of protection varies from property to property as described by Historic England here: Extent of protection The list entry will identify the principal building or buildings that are listed. These will be identified by the formal list entry and not the narrative description, unless there is ambiguity in the list. The whole of any principal building is listed, including the interior. Objects, structures and buildings affixed to a listed building or within its curtilage may also be protected by listing (see below). These rules may mean that considerably more may be protected by the listing than is obvious from the list entry alone and there can often be considerable uncertainty as to what is covered. This apparent unhelpfulness in the rules is mitigated somewhat by the fact that listed building consent is only required if works affect the special interest in the relevant structure. It may be unclear whether a structure is protected, but it may be clear it holds no special interest even if it is. Group value should obviously be considered in assessing the special interest of ancillary buildings. A proverbial minefield, particularly for those not familiar with the procedures, bearing in mind it is a Criminal Offence that can lead to imprisonment if unauthorized work is carried out to a Listed Building. So best Strudul that you keep to your DIY jobs to your Zed Depends on the extent of the renovation though. As I said, the outside of the main building looks fine, it just looks like the interior needs a refurb. Can you just ignore the outbuildings? I asked a question about whether you can change the interior without the same hassle, which you could have given a simple response to... Is it a case of any interior change still has to be approved, or do you just have to follow the guidelines? So you have inspected the outside of the main building? Or are you going by the estate agents photos? No professional in their right mind would ever proffer advice based on photos whilst the extent of the renovation and whether some, all or none of the renovation would require Listed Building Consent is like putting a finger in the air so until a detailed survey is undertaken and bearing in mind when you start stripping things away that can reveal all sorts of surprises, the Conservation Officer will not even be able to advise what elements of the renovation would require Listed Building Consent and that can often halt work whilst the application (that can take 2 months or moreis dealt with. Bear in mind Estate Agents do have a habit of understating the level of expected work, so by them saying a full renovation throughout covers not just the interior but the exterior - i.e. covering their arses as you can bet they saw/were shown things that immdediatly rang alarm bells. And before you labour your quizzing further please take on board what I quoted from historic England - there can be no definitive answer until surveys/work reveal what is necessary. So I am afraid you seeking a "simple response" to what you think is a simple question is simply not available! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 So you have inspected the outside of the main building? Or are you going by the estate agents photos? No professional in their right mind would ever proffer advice based on photos whilst the extent of the renovation and whether some, all or none of the renovation would require Listed Building Consent is like putting a finger in the air so until a detailed survey is undertaken and bearing in mind when you start stripping things away that can reveal all sorts of surprises, the Conservation Officer will not even be able to advise what elements of the renovation would require Listed Building Consent and that can often halt work whilst the application (that can take 2 months or moreis dealt with. Bear in mind Estate Agents do have a habit of understating the level of expected work, so by them saying a full renovation throughout covers not just the interior but the exterior - i.e. covering their arses as you can bet they saw/were shown things that immdediatly rang alarm bells. And before you labour your quizzing further please take on board what I quoted from historic England - there can be no definitive answer until surveys/work reveal what is necessary. So I am afraid you seeking a "simple response" to what you think is a simple question is simply not available! I didn't say it is fine, just that it looks fine... Regardless, show me another house of the same scale with 6+ bedrooms and a turret for £250k. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Did you look at the floorplan, Strudul. Check it out! Also the big organ room! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Did you look at the floorplan, Strudul. Check it out! Also the big organ room! I did 2 garages and a workshop too, it's perfect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sipar69 Posted March 16, 2017 Share Posted March 16, 2017 Well Im looking forward to living in a listed building especially because there's already a pole in the garden for the Sky dish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBorehamUK Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 Well, good news Mortgage has finally been accepted Just pending them receiving the valuation report, though I've received my customers report and it all checks out - funnily enough they've valued it at exactly what I bid at, guess I'm either an expert surveyor myself or the EA whispered in his ear 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrian@TORQEN Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 Congrats! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ekona Posted March 20, 2017 Share Posted March 20, 2017 I suspect the latter, funny how everyone's does that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBorehamUK Posted March 20, 2017 Author Share Posted March 20, 2017 Congrats! Thanks Adrian, any update on yours? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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