Stew Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Good or Bad idea? This is a serious one (for a change!) With all the calls for a national database ongoing at the moment I was just wondering what others thoughts were on this? I personally have nothing to hide and think it's a good idea (I also think the death penalty is a good idea too so I'm not adverse to controversy) as it could be a deterrent for serious crimes. Any other good views or points on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevie_350z Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Bear in mind how useless UK PLC is at protecting your information - lost laptops, anyone-can-search-and-find etc. How long before NHS or BUPA have access and are excluding you from healthcare? etc If the DNA is held as a signature (a bit like an RSA key, based upon your real data, but the real data is never held) then I'm all for it - but if UK PLC wants to keep a copy of my full DNA then no. Either way, the government will **** it up, guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmac Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 On a level playing field its a great idea, I have nothing to hide but adninistered by the muppets who will be in charge its open to abuse and, stupidity and therefore NO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trev-the-Rev Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 On a level playing field its a great idea, I have nothing to hide but adninistered by the muppets who will be in charge its open to abuse and, stupidity and therefore NO +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted February 23, 2008 Author Share Posted February 23, 2008 I think maybe I'm idealistic about this. I just trust that the database would be put to good effect catching criminals CSI style! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H5 Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Seeing government inefficiencies will all too astonishing regularity, and the progress of science of cloning people, the last thing I want is my DNA on a database! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prescience Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Since the police have proposed that this is a good idea, they should take the lead and enforce all serving officers to provide their DNA. Then let's take it from there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanski Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 I'm with Steve on this one - its a good idea but they will **** it up big stylie - I worked for the public sector once for 9 months - yikes - makes you scared how slack security and personal data can be - I mean if your running tests on new system builds you make up the data dont you - you dont use a copy of the real data do you!! No brainer! But if you have nothing to hide then no worries - its more about who controls that data - oh bit of an X files conspiracy job here....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prescience Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 I'm with Steve on this one - its a good idea but they will **** it up big stylie - I worked for the public sector once for 9 months - yikes - makes you scared how slack security and personal data can be - I mean if your running tests on new system builds you make up the data dont you - you dont use a copy of the real data do you!! No brainer! But if you have nothing to hide then no worries - its more about who controls that data - oh bit of an X files conspiracy job here....... Nothing to hide eh ..... Once that information is in the public domain, the next step is insurance companies becoming involved, pre-disposition to diseases, very slippery slope IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stanski Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Once that information is in the public domain, the next step is insurance companies becoming involved, pre-disposition to diseases, very slippery slope IMO Well exactly my point its about who controls this info and what they do with it? Its great having a joined up set up where you have easy access to all data in one place for example - I mean the DVLA licensing online doodar is great - no queueing for 3 days at post offices anymore BUT!!! There are lots of ways and commercially available methods to gain access to info... this worries me - they cant do anything right in this country except breed frikkin Chavs! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prescience Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Once that information is in the public domain, the next step is insurance companies becoming involved, pre-disposition to diseases, very slippery slope IMO Well exactly my point its about who controls this info and what they do with it? Its great having a joined up set up where you have easy access to all data in one place for example - I mean the DVLA licensing online doodar is great - no queueing for 3 days at post offices anymore BUT!!! There are lots of ways and commercially available methods to gain access to info... this worries me - they cant do anything right in this country except breed frikkin Chavs! You've hit on what IMO is the correct solution. Personal data records remain with the individual in their entirety and are uploaded piecewise to wherever they are needed (subset of) under the control of and at the discretion of the individual whose records they remain. It's so simple and non-centristic if the individual is at the hub rather than at the end of a very long, uncontrolled, spoke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesterfield Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Im not particularly bothered if my dna is on a database. If the database helps catch criminals then fine, but also, could it be used for other positive actions, such as helping find suitable matches for kidney donors, no need to wait to see if you are compatble with someone you want to help out - you just volunteer and they can match you up with a suitable candidate to receive your organs instantly. If they find a cure for a certain disease that can be identified through dna, they can ensure everyone who may be affected gets the vacination/cure before costing the nhs more money in treatment at some point in the future. There are a lot of positives that the database could be used for, but the security of such a database would be a serious concern. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prescience Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 If the database helps catch criminals then fine, but also, could it be used for other positive actions, such as helping find suitable matches for kidney donors, no need to wait to see if you are compatble with someone you want to help out - you just volunteer and they can match you up with a suitable candidate to receive your organs instantly. I'm still using mine Medium/long term the need for 'matches' to others for transplants will fade - 2 or 3 years IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmac Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 If I have nothing to hide then would my DNA be of any use. Dont think potential terrorists will be lining up to register. Still cant see it will be a major breakthrough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chesterfield Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Hopefully so - Im certain that science will be able to either grow replacements from our own dna or replace with artificial organs in time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
martinmac Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 Bodykits for humans next then, hate to think what Jay will end up looking like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest prescience Posted February 23, 2008 Share Posted February 23, 2008 50 years or maybe less down the line, it will all be regimented and controlled. Variations from the norm, 'mutants', how will they be treated, I wonder? Still in 50 years, it will be possible to keep people alive indefinitely anyway -good or bad, it's inevitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stew Posted February 24, 2008 Author Share Posted February 24, 2008 Cool, 50 years I'll hopefully still be alive. I'll get to be an obnoxious old man forever! It's interesting to see different peoples views on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H5 Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 I don't disagree with all the good it could do, but the scale and type of danger it has the potential to cause unfortunately leads me to not want it to happen. Everything has a price and at some point someone involved with the set-up will get bought and an accident would leave the information in the wrong hands. I certainly wouldn't want other bits of me grown by scientists - people would be stitched up for crimes left right and centre. It seems to me that the second you put people's own unique DNA on a database, it is no longer unique.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stuey Posted February 24, 2008 Share Posted February 24, 2008 i think from a crime point of view........... if you got nothing to hide...... then you got nothing to worry about.............. i think its a good thing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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