Strudul Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Was planning on wrapping my roof in the near future, but noticed a rust spot the other day. I assume it's best to get that sorted before wrapping? (And then wait a month for it to cure before doing anything?) Are there any guides on how to deal with it? Is it just a case of sanding it down and painting over it? Any recommenced products? Anywhere I can get some K23 (Universal Silver / Silver Alloy) touch up paint? Pics below. (The other bits of brown are just leaves, living next to trees sucks ) Cheers Edited December 19, 2016 by Strudul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 First thing to do asap imo is get some "Kurust" from Halfords or similar and apply that in order to stop the rust from spreading any further. Link: http://www.halfords.com/motoring/paints-body-repair/rust-removal-treatment/hammerite-kurust-12-5ml-pencil For the touch up paint you're just as good going to the main dealers for it as they'll get the paint code from your VIN and it's only about £5-£6 odd for the little kit they give you. If you're going to wrap the car then it is best to get that sorted properly before wrapping otherwise it will just get worse hidden from view below the wrap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 That sounds really cheap for the paint kit. They seem to be double that price everywhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 If you wrap it its unlikely to remain 'hidden' anyway as anything under the wrap will come through visually. When you wrap it the lifting of the paintwork and rust will be obvious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Wasn't wrapping to cover it up, just liked the look of the gloss black roof, which is why I want to sort it first so it won't ruin the wrap or cause further damage to the paint / panel. Edited December 19, 2016 by Strudul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coldel Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 No I get that, what I mean is when you lay down vinyl wrap even if you treat and paint the spot, if you do not rub it down and flatten it in line with the rest of the roof the slight raising of the paintwork will be obvious under the wrap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 (edited) Ah right. That's why I'm after a guide on how to do it properly rather than just painting over the top. Everything on youtube seem to be for major stuff and looks scary though. Edited December 19, 2016 by Strudul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 I had my roof resprayed on my old Zed Strudul as part of a few other paint jobs I was having done so I can't give you an exact figure but I'd guess around £100-£150 to have the roof done from most body shops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 A full respray sounds excessive for such a small spot of rust... it's barely a centimetre in diameter. Just want to stop it getting worse (or slow it) and cover it up. Doesn't have to be perfect, but anything is better than a little orange blob. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted December 19, 2016 Share Posted December 19, 2016 A full respray sounds excessive for such a small spot of rust... it's barely a centimetre in diameter. Just want to stop it getting worse (or slow it) and cover it up. Doesn't have to be perfect, but anything is better than a little orange blob. I had mine resprayed because of maybe 2-3 tiny chips which had very small bits of rust (smaller than yours). It does sound excessive maybe yes but as I wasn't wrapping my car I needed the finish to be decent so had the whole roof done as blending in one small area would never have worked. If you're going to cover it up with a wrap and don't really care what it looks like underneath then you could always just take the rust spotted area back down to bare metal yourself with sandpaper, then spray with primer, followed by a base coat & some lacquer. Then with wet & dry sand paper just go over the whole thing to make sure it's nice and smooth. It'll never blend in and will look rubbish but if it's under a wrap you'll never notice it obviously. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted December 19, 2016 Author Share Posted December 19, 2016 Hmm, might just do what you suggested in your first post then. I'm not too bothered about how it looks, it's so small and unnoticeable, I just don't want it getting worse or impacting the resale value significantly. So I think anti-rust stuff and some touch up paint should suffice. I'll make a judgement if / when I come to sell whether it's worth getting a full roof respray. Would you recommend doing anything else before using the anti-rust stuff? Sand it down a little? Scrape off some rust? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted December 20, 2016 Share Posted December 20, 2016 Would you recommend doing anything else before using the anti-rust stuff? Sand it down a little? Scrape off some rust? Any of the paint that's bubbled up will need to be removed. As coldel mentioned if it's not completely flat when you put the wrap on it will show through underneath the wrap. I'd say you're going to have to be brave and sand it down before you put Kurust on it (you must completely remove any signs of rust for best results ~ use a small wire brush head attachment on a Dremel if you have one). Then paint/lacquer on top and when that's all hardened go over it with some really fine (1000-1200 grade) wet & dry sand paper with plenty of soapy water. Not going to look pretty but as long as you've treated the rust correctly and smoothed over the paint nicely it shouldn't show with the wrap on top. Definitely not a permanent fix though especially not if the wrap comes off in the future. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firkindolloper Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 (edited) I had a couple of small rust spots on mine too, just where the back wheel arches meet the bumper which is common apparently. I did the kurust thing then decided to use a "specialist" - I use the term loosely - company called SCRATCHWIZARD. Matey boy rolled up in his van with all the kit and the first thing he did was use a chisel on my wing! A chuffin chisel! I would kill anyone who scratched my car but this guy was a "specialist" so I let him get on with it. The result looked ok but I had to stay indoors (at work in a large heated workshop and everyone has gone) for another couple of hours before I drove home and put it in my garage for a few days to let it harden. After 5 weeks, I cut back some of the paint with G3 Ultra as reoommended by another forum member. I then polished it with an Autoglym polish and it looked ok. I haven't touched it since and the bubble has come back - after only 7 weeks of the job being done. Now I am looking at some serious money having the rust cut out and some panels painted. Good luck with sorting out your rust but choose carefully if you decide to have it done professionally. Top Gear Top Tip: Give SCRATCHWIZARD a body swerve. Merry Xmas:-) Edited December 23, 2016 by Firkindolloper 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 I had a couple of small rust spots on mine too, just where the back wheel arches meet the bumper which is common apparently. I did the kurust thing then decided to use a "specialist" - I use the term loosely - company called SCRATCHWIZARD. Matey boy rolled up in his van with all the kit and the first thing he did was use a chisel on my wing! A chuffin chisel! I would kill anyone who scratched my car but this guy was a "specialist" so I let him get on with it. The result looked ok but I had to stay indoors (at work in a large heated workshop and everyone has gone) for another couple of hours before I drove home and put it in my garage for a few days to let it harden. After 5 weeks, I cut back some of the paint with G3 Ultra as reoommended by another forum member. I then polished it with an Autoglym polish and it looked ok. I haven't touched it since and the bubble has come back - after only 7 weeks of the job being done. Now I am looking at some serious money having the rust cut out and some panels painted. Good luck with sorting out your rust but choose carefully if you decide to have it done professionally. Top Gear Top Tip: Give SCRATCHWIZARD a body swerve. Merry Xmas:-) I feel your pain Firkindolloper ~ had a very similar thing happen to me with my Zed trying to get the rust fixed on a rear arch. Money down the drain, ...story below. When I had my Zed it had a few small bubbles on the drivers side rear arch so I took it to a local body shop. They quoted me for some other spray jobs at the same time (respray front bumper & roof) but I believe it worked out around £250-300 for the rear quarter (repair & blend in with side/rear bumper). I had the work done and it looked great for all of about 2 weeks before bubbles started reappearing, ...understandably pi**ed off I went back and complained. They redid the work this time taking pictures along the way showing me everything that they did. On their second attempt at fixing it they cut out a fairly large triangle shape piece of metal, welded in a replacement piece of new metal, filled, smoothed, primed, base coat & lacquered. That's how it should have been done in the first place I thought. It only lasted for about 6 months though before the rust bubbles started coming back again!! In the end I left it as the bubbles were very minor & with selling the car on the horizon at the time I didn't fancy plowing any more money into it. Not much help I know Adam but just more of a cautionary tale. If you are going to try & get it fixed I'd consider getting a proper pair of new rear quarters otherwise you may end up paying more money every 6 months or so just to repair the same problem again & again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firkindolloper Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Sounds like we both got shafted without the KY, Of course selling it came to mind but I have just (today) bought a set of 370 alloys from Naildialzed and I am going to persevere with beating the rust (and hopefully the scratchwizard tw*t). I wouldn't sell it unless I mentioned the rust as it would just be another Forum member down the line with the same problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GMballistic Posted December 23, 2016 Share Posted December 23, 2016 Sounds like we both got shafted without the KY, Most definitely. Didn't even get taken out to dinner either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
m4nn13 Posted April 7, 2017 Share Posted April 7, 2017 I have one of these little rust buggers on my roof too, only tiny but want to get it fixed sooner rather than later. Did you a manage to get yours sorted in the end? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strudul Posted April 7, 2017 Author Share Posted April 7, 2017 Been busy with louvres and got my dissertation / exams approaching sooner than I'd like, so it's a task for the summer. Got some Kurust, but need to get some touch up paint from paints4u before i can do anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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